The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion

[FridgeMagnet]

My major problems with GDPR were (as a user) the million fucking emails from people who were taking a cargo cult approach to dealing with it and (as a developer) dealing with corporate lawyers paid ten times as much as I was who hadn't read the legislation, had no idea what it meant, had no idea what the company actually did or what data was stored and why, didn't care about any of the former, and yet still their random proclamations had to be obeyed. The actual regulations always seemed pretty good to me.

 

[SpookyFrank]

My major problems with GDPR were (as a user) the million fucking emails from people who were taking a cargo cult approach to dealing with it and (as a developer) dealing with corporate lawyers paid ten times as much as I was who hadn't read the legislation, had no idea what it meant, had no idea what the company actually did or what data was stored and why, didn't care about any of the former, and yet still their random proclamations had to be obeyed. The actual regulations always seemed pretty good to me.

For me the main thing it was I had to send an email to the office confirming that I didn't have anyone's personal data on an unsecured device. All the paperwork pertinent to that job was done with pencil and paper and physically handed over to someone so I don't know what devices they thought I was using.

 

[Ax^]

GPDR is going to be interesting

the outlock for the custom process with the EU after the exit is also looking so much fun

 

[agricola]

Farage has started early on the multi-level marketing thing, I see.

 

[weltweit]

There has been progress but serious difficulties remain: Brexit: Trade talks in 'a serious situation' says Boris Johnson - BBC News

 

[William of Walworth]

GPDR is going to be interesting

That'll make a change!

 

[William of Walworth]

What odds can I get on a last minute deal being signed? The more [Johnson], Gove et al. make gloomy public pronouncements on how unlikely a deal is looking, the more convinced I become that it’s definitely going to get agreed.

That's what I've been thinking for quite some time.

Just on the simple logic that they can be relied upon 100% to be lying, each and every time they open their mouths.

But not so much for that reason, true though it is.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Seems to be just down to fish now.

 

[brogdale]

Seems to be just down to fish now.

The slippery little fuckers just won't give in, will they?

 

[bimble]

The fish thing.
Is it possible the reason this is (being made to seem) so important is because of the whole Rules the Waves plucky seafaring nation bollocks being so central symbolically to the nationalist imagination here?

 

[brogdale]

The fish thing.
Is it possible the reason this is (being made to seem) so important is because of the whole Rules the Waves plucky seafaring nation bollocks being so central symbolically to the nationalist imagination here?

Exactly; emblematic of a project which only really exists in the realms of imagination.

 

[Pickman's model]

The fish thing.
Is it possible the reason this is (being made to seem) so important is because of the whole Rules the Waves plucky seafaring nation bollocks being so central symbolically to the nationalist imagination here?

Nowadays Britain prefers to waive the rules

 

[Pickman's model]

Seems to be just down to fish now.

The scales have been lifted from the EU's eyes

 

[tommers]

Mate, stop.

 

[brogdale]

The scales have been lifted from the EU's eyes

fin des discussions?

 

[kabbes]

I don’t know. Whilst it’s always tempting to fuck off an industry that seems to have little impact on your life, it must be true that if it isn’t important, it shouldn’t be important to the Euros either. It either has value or it doesn’t.

 

[Pickman's model]

fin des discussions?

Johnson's herring nothing he wants from the eu

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

This is just not the plaice. I've haddock up to here with these fish puns. I hake them so much. Etc

 

[bimble]

Just tried for the first time to get my head round what britain is actually asking for, fish-wise, and am now even more confused than before. Something about the ownership of boats that fly under a uk flag and something about a 200 mile 'exclusive economic zone ' in which all the fish are British citizens? Calais to dover is about 20 miles? I give up.

 

[philosophical]

If it is down to the fish then I assume it's going to be the border in the Irish sea 'solution'.
Which of course is not what was on the referendum ballot paper.

 

[TopCat]

The fish thing.
Is it possible the reason this is (being made to seem) so important is because of the whole Rules the Waves plucky seafaring nation bollocks being so central symbolically to the nationalist imagination here?

It's because we were screwed by the EU over fishing in the 70's.

 

[TopCat]

Only remainers would think fish are irrelevant. Just shows how disconnected many are.

 

[bimble]

Only remainers would think fish are irrelevant. Just shows how disconnected many are.

Disconnected from what? salt of the earth fishermen? How important are fish, important enough to be the thing that makes the difference between a deal and not a deal ? Apparently the whole fishing industry is about 0.1% of the economy, there must be more people working as dog groomers.
thats why i'm surprised its supposedly the last sticking point, seems like they've reached agreement on stuff that will have bigger consequences than whatver the outcome is with the fish.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Only remainers would think fish are irrelevant. Just shows how disconnected many are.

More than half of the British fishing quota (specifically the English fishing quota - Scotland is totally different) was sold off to foreign interests in the 1990s. Not at the behest of the EU. Classic British laissez-faire economics is what has led to this situation. This sudden concern from Johnson and co is rank hypocrisy.

 

[bimble]

Some interesting fish-facts in here. Basically we import almost all of the fish that we actually want to eat (mostly cod) and depend on the eu to sell the stuff we don't want to eat (which is most of what we catch, herrings and stuff with shells) . UK fishing industry, or Brexit's red herrings | DW | 27.11.2019

 

[Yossarian]

The fish thing.
Is it possible the reason this is (being made to seem) so important is because of the whole Rules the Waves plucky seafaring nation bollocks being so central symbolically to the nationalist imagination here?

Also fish and chips being the "national dish," etc. - I think the Leave side managed to muddy the waters on fish caught by British fishermen and fish eaten by British people, when there's not that much overlap between the two.

 

[bimble]

All i really understand now is that the price of cod is definitely not going to go down after brexit .

 

[andysays]

I just they'd stop piscine about and either come up with a deal or recognize that there isn't going to be one.

 

[gosub]

Some interesting fish-facts in here. Basically we import almost all of the fish that we actually want to eat (mostly cod) and depend on the eu to sell the stuff we don't want to eat (which is most of what we catch, herrings and stuff with shells) . UK fishing industry, or Brexit's red herrings | DW | 27.11.2019

90% of cod from UK waters ends up in France according to BBC telly news last week

 

[editor]

Fuck Brexit. It's going to fuck over ordinary people and for what? Still, the health insurance companies will do nicely out of it and those who can't afford may end up being seriously shafted.

Can I go on holiday to the EU next year?
As it stands, no. Because of Covid, travellers from most non-EU countries can't visit except for essential reasons.
After 31 December, the UK will no longer be treated like a member of the EU, so becomes subject to these rules.
The only non-EU countries exempted are those with very low infection rates, such as New Zealand.

What about health insurance?
The European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) will no longer be valid. It entitled about 27 million British citizens to state-provided medical treatment if they fell ill or had an accident in EU countries, as well as a number of others.
So, when you arrange your travel insurance you should make sure it has health cover.

Travel after Brexit: How will it affect my holidays to the EU?

A simple guide to how leaving the EU will affect travel to Europe.

www.bbc.co.uk