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The Ashes 2009

I can take losing - and losing to the better team - but a craven capitulation such as the oen we're liklely to see today is potentially going to set the tone for the rest of the series, for both teams. (2nd test 2005 scenario unlikely with this team)
 
I can take losing - and losing to the better team - but a craven capitulation such as the oen we're liklely to see today is potentially going to set the tone for the rest of the series, for both teams. (2nd test 2005 scenario unlikely with this team)

IMO Englands body language and general attitude has been very poor in this game. All the talk of coming out aggressively etc just hasnt happened. We looked below par in the field. No backing up etc, the basics were all wrong and its gone from there. No real aggression shown by the bowlers and the players on the balcony look like they are shitting bricks as opposed to relishing batting out for a draw. Initiative is well and truly Australia's. If we do bat the day out mind that will be a big mental positive - but i doubt its going to happen.
 
Other than 3 English batsmen, I don't think we've played any worse than the Aussies. 3 of our top order should have gone on and got centuries. That's the only difference.

3? 5 of their batsmen scored more than your top scorer (and he's the one everyone bitches at!). That difference is like, the entire batting lineup!

Regardless, I was mostly referring to the previous days play, which was (mostly) England bowling. Which was absolutely awful.

The batting hasn't been an improvement thus far.

waterloowelshy said:
Did you see what i did there?! There was no point including Pieterson in my post as it was blatantly obvious he was not going to be able to play a match saving innings. Fair play he can play match winning innings', but match saving - no chance! Crap shot - he just isnt interested unless there is a sniff of glory to be had. Great player, but not for this situation. Bring in boring Collingwood!
Yeah, he only saved the match to win the Ashes for the first time in forever. A piddling thing.
 
Yeah, he only saved the match to win the Ashes for the first time in forever. A piddling thing.

ok. fair point. not very often then. You could hardly call him a grafter. Not having a go at him, I would always want him in the team, but its not exactly suprising that he hasnt had a long defensive bat today. Twenty Twenty has probably knocked even more of his defensive capabilities. Michael Katich / Ricky Pointing he certainlky isnt. And for that matter neither is Prior, Flintoff, Swann or Broad. The only guys left that will be happy / able to block out for the day are the guys in and Anderson. These two in at the mo need to produce a display like the Katich / Ponting partnership - boring and effective.
 
I agree he isn't that sort of batsman, but then neither was Gilchrist. Still England's best batsman by a mile, and undeserving of the ridiculous criticism he gets. Criticise the walking wickets like Cook instead.
 
I agree he isn't that sort of batsman, but then neither was Gilchrist. Still England's best batsman by a mile, and undeserving of the ridiculous criticism he gets. Criticise the walking wickets like Cook instead.

Yeah couldnt agree more. They know what he is, and equally what he is never going to be. He is a match winner. Everyone needs to accept that and get to grips with the fact that he will get out to stupid shots sometimes. But those stupid shots look amazing when they come off and everyone loves him for them then. He should be allowed to play how he does and the ones that havent got his range of shots need to do the knuckling down and concentrate on what they are in the team for - mainly not getting out!
 
Australia are a strong, very professional and motivated cricket team but they are not THAT great.

England are far better than their showing here.

Whats happened thus far proves just how much top class international sport is decided not by mere skill, strength and technique but by the players ability to handle it in their heads.

Thus:

First innings - England's batsmen appeared happy that they reached 400+ and unconcerned that none converted good starts into tons. Whereas the Aussies would have been furious with themselves.

In the field, England were abject. Once the Aussie total started to climb their heads went down. None (with the exception maybe of Freddie) appear to relish the challenge of out-thinking a batsman.

In the second innings England have mentally crumbled in the face of the task in hand. The task made all the more difficult due to the previous 4 days of being out fought and out thought.

Now Hughes is the 'new' Hayden; Haddin the 'new' Gilchrist; and YES Hauwritz the 'new' Warne!!!! - Only in the minds of the English team....

Anyone listening to TMS? Hear the story of Johnson and KP squaring up to each other this morning? Look who's won that little battle already. Typical:rolleyes:

This is turning into a rant now, I'd better stop.

Its just all so disappointing. I (was lulled into thinking) thought it would at least thought it would be competitive.

Prior now gone - all out by lunch?

Lords next. Havent beaten Australia there since 1934.........:(
 
The funny thing about the "it's because they play so much limited over stuff!" (which Boycott is on too) is that England are dreadful at limited over cricket, in no small part because they don't play aggressive shots.

I think the simple answer is likeliest: England are just a shower.
 
I'm just full of admiration for Paul Collingwood.

He'll probably get out now, having written that, but it'll still be true.

Matt
 
Missed play today - just tuned in... not great. But we might just guard up for another couple of hours. What time do we have to bat to? 4:30?
 
Ahh... I am remembering what watching England is all about. Dogged, desperate draws, batting collapses, and usually winning a dead rubber at the end of the series :D
 
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