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The Ashes 2009

I'm just loving the fact that in Wales, the land of rain, it wont rain when ya want it to!
 
I support England, but I would rather they lose than be saved by the rain. A test match is five days long, and a draw should be earned.
 
That's cricket for you though, the rain can work for both sides on different occasions. Can't control the weather.
Of course. But for any given match, whatever the teams, I would wish for five full days of play. That's the test - to score enough runs and take 20 wickets in five days. If you can't do that, the other team has earned a draw. I disliked all this wishing for rain at the Oval last time, and I dislike it now. Maybe we could just win one match then have a monsoon wash out the rest of the series? Not for me. I want to see cricket, and I want to see a five day test match played out over five days.
 
Of course. But for any given match, whatever the teams, I would wish for five full days of play. That's the test - to score enough runs and take 20 wickets in five days. If you can't do that, the other team has earned a draw. I disliked all this wishing for rain at the Oval last time, and I dislike it now. Maybe we could just win one match then have a monsoon wash out the rest of the series? Not for me. I want to see cricket, and I want to see a five day test match played out over five days.

That's fair enough, but we both know that's not always the case, the aussies would take the rain if they were in our position, so so will we.
 
I support England, but I would rather they lose than be saved by the rain. A test match is five days long, and a draw should be earned.

I feel the same too. To salvage a draw through sheer bloodymindedness and solid technique would represent a small victory of sorts. And taking a draw into the 2nd test at Lords next week would be great. However...............

Re: 2nd test. Any changes? One of the spinners was always gonna drop out anyway. Can Harmy be relied on?

Edit to add - Harmison has taken 5 for 60 off 25 overs v Yorkshire at Headingly. Hhmmm
 
I feel the same too. To salvage a draw through sheer bloodymindedness and solid technique would represent a small victory of sorts. And taking a draw into the 2nd test at Lords next week would be great. However...............

Re: 2nd test. Any changes? One of the spinners was always gonna drop out anyway. Can Harmy be relied on?

Edit to add - Harmison has taken 5 for 60 off 25 overs v Yorkshire at Headingly. Hhmmm
Onions is very unlucky not to have played. I'd go with him. Harmison....Hmmm as you say. If England were a strong team they would jettison Harmison for good.

One thing's for sure: if Broad plays in the next test, Australia will be very pleased indeed.
 
Broads a strange one, plays well in ODI's but doesn't seem to have quite got the hang of five day cricket, were it not for his batting he would be nowhere near the team.
 
He is, quite simply, not good enough. He should be sent back to county cricket and told he won't even be considered for another test for a year. County cricket is where bowlers should learn their skills.
 
So Ddraig spouts off a bit and that is a reason for us not to get a test match, grow up ffs. We have as much right to a test match as any other county in England. So Old Trafford have been staging them for 128 years or whatever it is, fine we'll have a few more then please before you get another one as we have a bit of catching up to do

Yeah, please dont assume we all feel the same as Ddraig. I am 100% welsh and chuffed we have the Test. I think its great for the game in Wales and i hope that most fans that have attented this week will think that the Welsh hospitality has been great and the atmosphere good, despite England playing so terrribly. For some reason Draig thinks that cricket is a sport of the elite classes which somehome rubs up his socialist sensibilities. I play every week in Wales and would point out that it is played by everybody - there is no class issue. I think it also upsets him that Wales and England are one team - this goes against his Welsh nationlism. Its quite sad really, but please believe me when i say that the majority of Wales are more than happy to welcome the etst match here and dont care if its called England - its only a name for god sake!

I just wish that Glamorgan had been allowed by the ECB to prepare a better, more exciting pitch.

ETA - The forecast for tommorrow is meant to be good and i heard that tickets were availabke for £25 on the day. It should definately be worth a visit to see a result tommorrow. No way can i see us batting out for a draw. I just dont think we have got the ability to do it. And it will be interesting to see if Australia's so called poorer spinners manage to get anything out the pitch - the flack that Swann and Panesar get if the Aussies manage it will be huge!
 
Yeah, please dont assume we all feel the same as Ddraig. I am 100% welsh and chuffed we have the Test. I think its great for the game in Wales and i hope that most fans that have attented this week will think that the Welsh hospitality has been great and the atmosphere good, despite England playing so terrribly. For some reason Draig thinks that cricket is a sport of the elite classes which somehome rubs up his socialist sensibilities. I play every week in Wales and would point out that it is played by everybody - there is no class issue. I think it also upsets him that Wales and England are one team - this goes against his Welsh nationlism. Its quite sad really, but please believe me when i say that the majority of Wales are more than happy to welcome the etst match here and dont care if its called England - its only a name for god sake!

I just wish that Glamorgan had been allowed by the ECB to prepare a better, more exciting pitch.

ETA - The forecast for tommorrow is meant to be good and i heard that tickets were availabke for £25 on the day. It should definately be worth a visit to see a result tommorrow. No way can i see us batting out for a draw. I just dont think we have got the ability to do it. And it will be interesting to see if Australia's so called poorer spinners manage to get anything out the pitch - the flack that Swann and Panesar get if the Aussies manage it will be huge!

:rolleyes: so you speak for Wales now???
so you have no probs with it being the Engrish and Wales Cricket board but always reffered to as Englund???
did you sing god save the queen as well?
are the gloves back on then apologist royalist? think you need a new cap, the one you're wearing looks all doffed out!
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:rolleyes: so you speak for Wales now???
so you have no probs with it being the Engrish and Wales Cricket board but always reffered to as Englund???
did you sing god save the queen as well?
are the gloves back on then apologist royalist? think you need a new cap, the one you're wearing looks all doffed out!
tit

Ddraig in fairness I think that most cricket fans in Wales, if not all, would agree with WWW on this.

A test match in Wales is something to be celebrated not used as a tool for cheap point scoring and nationalist banner waving. It's attitudes like yours that are more likley to mean we never see Engalnd play in Wales again. Although the first day debacle of draping the wlesh flag over all proceedings and trotting out Kathrynb Jenkins and Rhydian has probably already put pay to it anyway!
 
:rolleyes: so you speak for Wales now???
so you have no probs with it being the Engrish and Wales Cricket board but always reffered to as Englund???
did you sing god save the queen as well?
are the gloves back on then apologist royalist? think you need a new cap, the one you're wearing looks all doffed out!
tit

no probs with it whatsover. its the England and Wales Cricket Board. Eeveryone knows that. Ill draw the line at god save the queen, but it doesnt really bother me to be honest. people can sing what they want to sing. Its just cricket - I dont like cricket - oh no i love it. Nationalism out the window, lets all just play cricket. No caps need to be doffed. Cricket is a very working class sport in Wales Ddraig. Our league matches start at 2pm to allow for the shift patterns of the majority of the players taking part. No doffing go on there.

We all know you hate cricket, so why are are you on a cricket thread? :hmm:
 
Ddraig in fairness I think that most cricket fans in Wales, if not all, would agree with WWW on this.

A test match in Wales is something to be celebrated not used as a tool for cheap point scoring and nationalist banner waving. It's attitudes like yours that are more likley to mean we never see Engalnd play in Wales again. Although the first day debacle of draping the wlesh flag over all proceedings and trotting out Kathrynb Jenkins and Rhydian has probably already put pay to it anyway!

How come they dont play a test in Belfast then?Part of the empire and all that:)
 
How come they dont play a test in Belfast then?Part of the empire and all that:)

Because Ireland have their own team - as do Scotland. Wales are part of the England team as Glamorgan play in the county championships with the English teams. Long may it continue because Wales would be crap as a team in our own right. Hopefully Glamorgan can use the money from this test to rear some good young players and get some Welsh blood back in the England team in the future. I know people moan that England never pick Glamorgan players, but quite frankly they are all crap at the moment. All the good ones were given a chance - Simon Jones, Maynard, Croft etc.. We just need to get a few players of that standard back at Glamorgan.
 
Because Ireland have their own team - as do Scotland. Wales are part of the England team as Glamorgan play in the county championships with the English teams. Long may it continue because Wales would be crap as a team in our own right. Hopefully Glamorgan can use the money from this test to rear some good young players and get some Welsh blood back in the England team in the future. I know people moan that England never pick Glamorgan players, but quite frankly they are all crap at the moment. All the good ones were given a chance - Simon Jones, Maynard, Croft etc.. We just need to get a few players of that standard back at Glamorgan.

When Wales played England a few years ago in a one-dayer I think you'll find Wales won!!:D

I disagree that Maynard was given a chance tho. Even Botham acknowledged afterwards that he was probably the finest one-day batsman in England and it was disgraceful that they didnt persevere with him.
 
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