likesfish
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SWAT teams do they have all the Toys
The American mass shooting thread
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8ball
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Yeah, I mean the "first local boys to turn up". Not the SWATs.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
They would still have a shotgun or an ar15 in the boot a shotgun will make a huge hole in the door especially loaded with buckshot.
it's much harder to shoot at kids if buckshot is flying in your general direction
If you've not read that "manual" yet, I urge you to do so.
tbh I think expecting anyone - teachers, caretakers, local cops without a significant amount of specialist training - to be able to go up against someone armed with battlefield weapons is pretty far fetched. I mean, some of them might find reserves of courage and tenacity, but pound to a piece of shit even with a handgun in the desk if someone walks through the door with an automatic weapon, most people are just shitting themselves and their gun is useless. Lots of soldiers with months of training can't cope with going up against these kinds of weapons, how can anyone be expected to?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I have some sympathy with that, but not sure I could live with myself if I was armed and on the scene and understandably expected to do something, and then stood by.
8ball
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I don’t think there’s anywhere on the planet where we don’t put someone in that position.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
when the last time you had a ar-15 waved in your face
it like the whole adage of " everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"
just because you could be in shape, normally willing or maybe even a little training
does not mean your body will react and you just end up hating yourself for the rest of your life regardless
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Sure, but if I was the person meant to be at least trying to do something, then I think I’d deserve whatever self-hatred was coming if I stood by.
And I’d be trying to get to where I could shoot the fucker in the back with no warning. The only thing in my favour would be hearing.
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I think they will have that by now.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
has the idea that the cops killed the kids during the breach, not already be suggested
blame everything but the guns
That is always a risk. I’m not “not blaming the guns” - that particular situation is really fucked up.
I’d feel the same about the police standing by during a mass shooting with an illegal weapon in London.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
aye its a trained discipline
not like the US
"here go give people speeding tickets with a gun"
8ball
Decolonise colons!
It’s nothing to do with “imagining”. They are not expected to rush in suicidally but they are expected to actively interfere with the shooter once on the scene.
This has been an explicit expectation since Columbine.
Let’s see what comes out re: precise timelines, but the police have already admitted serious mistakes.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBF they were - according to the reports they had him contained in that room and were exchanging fire with him.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And thank fuck that's the case when you see how often they make what can be most kindly described as dubious decisions
8ball
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That did happen - at first. No quarrels with those guys.
Edit: seems even the above is disputed
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Anyway, criticism of the police doesn’t take away from the fact that this situation got started in the first place.
One thing is clear, preaching to the Americans about guns will do nothing and in the years since Columbine the kinds of weaponry and armour that can be legally bought has been cynically extended by those who profit from it.
There have been talks with NRA members who would be very accepting of things like better background checks, mental health screening etc. things that would at least make a difference, but the rump of the gun lobby digs its heels in because it sees any concession as a step toward total disarmament.
If it’s possible to stop even a few mass shootings by working with the more reasonable elements and bringing them onside, I think that has to be worth it.
As things are, it’s all just going backwards.
One thing is clear, preaching to the Americans about guns will do nothing and in the years since Columbine the kinds of weaponry and armour that can be legally bought has been cynically extended by those who profit from it.
There have been talks with NRA members who would be very accepting of things like better background checks, mental health screening etc. things that would at least make a difference, but the rump of the gun lobby digs its heels in because it sees any concession as a step toward total disarmament.
If it’s possible to stop even a few mass shootings by working with the more reasonable elements and bringing them onside, I think that has to be worth it.
As things are, it’s all just going backwards.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Since the shooting, the Liberals will be submitting a bill that would stop purchases of revolvers and ban toys that look like real guns.
If the ndp votes with the Liberals, it could go through.
There are exemptions (sports, etc) and grandfather clause.
www.reuters.com
Not sure if it would pass, the liberals keep trying to ban the gun that was used to shoot up a Quebec university decades ago.
en.wikipedia.org
If the ndp votes with the Liberals, it could go through.
There are exemptions (sports, etc) and grandfather clause.
Canada introduces law to freeze handgun sales, ban look-alike toys
Canada's government introduced legislation Monday to implement a "national freeze" on the sale and purchase of handguns as part of a gun control package that would also limit magazine capacities and ban some toys that look like guns.
Not sure if it would pass, the liberals keep trying to ban the gun that was used to shoot up a Quebec university decades ago.
École Polytechnique massacre - Wikipedia
8ball
Decolonise colons!
The fuck is going on here??!
Some of the news reports make it look like it's some kind of annual tradition.
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