Moscow concert hall shooting, 22 Mar 24
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I don't think one has to be an expert to recognise that assigning roles to nation states, any state, is the crudest nationalist nonsense. Especially when such roles collapse down the centuries long complex geo-political interactions of states into a silly soundbite.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
I read that three times. Can you elucidate?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Directed at the nonsense posted above you
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Ok. I’m going to have more coffee and a bath and try again.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
well I'm not going back to Mesolithic for the general role in geopolitics my good fellow
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
You're not going anywhere. You're posting your usual ill thought out (ideologically shot through) twaddle.
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krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
Is there perhaps a possibility that there are temporary "roles" that some states assume/earn/get assigned fairly or unfairly? (For want of better terminology)
For example, the US is often seen (by itself and supporters of it's foreign policy) as a protector policing the free world.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Of course, there is. Depends on which end of their gun you are looking down. I think redsquirrel was just trying to address the Xmas cracker type comments from that poster.
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
Some of us may appear more refined in analysis skills.
fwiw, I value both posters' contributions.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
well one thing is consistent with any russian theme threads on the boards atm
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
9 detained in Tajikistan in connection with the terrorist attack at Crocus. ( another site says were detained in the city of Vahdat, where two of the terrorists lived)
This follows 211 arrests of those suspected with links to IS , since the Crocus terrorist attack, in Turkey.
www.lemonde.fr
This follows 211 arrests of those suspected with links to IS , since the Crocus terrorist attack, in Turkey.
Moscow attack: Turkey tracks down numerous active IS networks
Turkish police are stepping up operations against individuals suspected of being linked to the Islamic State organization. Two of the Moscow attack's alleged perpetrators are said to have transited through Istanbul.
www.lemonde.fr
teqniq
DisMembered
Oh the irony. Turkey, who actively supported IS in Syria mainly because they were fighting the Kurds, suddenly find it expedient to arrest people in IS networks they will have known about for ages.9 detained in Tajikistan in connection with the terrorist attack at Crocus. ( another site says were detained in the city of Vahdat, where two of the terrorists lived)
This follows 211 arrests of those suspected with links to IS , since the Crocus terrorist attack, in Turkey.
Moscow attack: Turkey tracks down numerous active IS networks
Turkish police are stepping up operations against individuals suspected of being linked to the Islamic State organization. Two of the Moscow attack's alleged perpetrators are said to have transited through Istanbul.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Erdogan's role as a part time would be up and coming world statesman has been interesting during this war.
ska invita
back on the other side
Fascinating as how far you can control public understanding
Cid
Proper break this time
FT article on the above:
www.ft.com
Russians back Vladimir Putin in blaming Ukraine for concert hall terror attack
More than half of respondents in opinion poll say Kyiv was behind Moscow massacre despite Isis claiming responsibility
ska invita
back on the other side
Not really a a Russian thing, heres the USA
FT article on the above:
Russians back Vladimir Putin in blaming Ukraine for concert hall terror attack
More than half of respondents in opinion poll say Kyiv was behind Moscow massacre despite Isis claiming responsibility
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Control the media , control the masses
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
As I recall during the Iraq War there were questionnaires and the mainly Fox News viewers had in-depth knowledge of the US troops there and weapons they used, their speed and range. Whereas the other viewers knew more about Iraq, where it was, who lived there, and what the war was about.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There are lots of reasons not to trust polling in Russia. This article outlines some of the problems.FT article on the above:
Russians back Vladimir Putin in blaming Ukraine for concert hall terror attack
More than half of respondents in opinion poll say Kyiv was behind Moscow massacre despite Isis claiming responsibility
The silent nation: Why wartime opinion polls cannot be trusted
Given the distrust of the state, respondents are unlikely to believe that their opinions are going to remain anonymous, so will respond accordingly, if they respond at all. If in doubt, repeat what Putin just said.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
In the FT article it says the poll is by an Anglo/Ukrainian company .
PTK
Paul Kegan
I don't think that that would make much difference. I think people in some circumtances are reluctant to voice their opinions, whoever asks them. How do you know for certain that the company asking you the questions will not pass on your responses to the state?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Cid
Proper break this time
It did strike me as a little odd for the FT to not mention that more... though has these two paras:
But more broadly than that 'an Anglo-Ukrainian online pollster that shared its results with the FT' (my bold) is surely going to run into some issues with er... thingy. The word for getting the right balance of demographics. Also 642 polled is lower than e.g Ipsos (seem to run at about 1,100 for general opinion stuff) or yougov ('1626 - 3326 GB Adults per wave' for their monthly trackers), Russia obvs double the population.
I've no particular interest in getting into the weeds more than that, just felt the headline ska posted needed a bit of context.
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