The American mass shooting thread

[Rompipalle]

I see it on running groups I'm in where Americans discuss open carry holsters to wear when out running amongst other insanities.

It’s a bit pathetic really, isn’t it?

 

[bellaozzydog]

I pity the children growing up in Palestine, Syria or North Korea a whole lot more than those in the USA, who, on average, will be subjected to significantly more violence during childhood than Americans.

Pretty low bar that comparison

 

[HeAthen]

What do you think forums are for? For you to waffle on with your dreary, insubstantial and inane middle england "analysis" and nobody to call you up on it? You talked about not having sympathy with the victims of a mass shooting in a school. I'm not the one who looks like a twat.

E per l'appunto, visto che sei così fedele al tuo username, ti ricordo gentilmente che anche tu sei libera di ignorare ciò che ti dico, ciao!

I beg to differ.

 

[HeAthen]

At no stage did I say I had no sympathy for the victims of shootings so fuck off with your lies.

I said I had no sympathy for America as a country because it holds the solution to its gun-crime problems in its own hands but chooses to do nothing about it, other than pointless hand-wringing and offering equally pointless thoughts and sodding prayers.

And for your information, I'm not "middle-English". I'm not English at all, so shove your baseless assumptions up your capacious arse - second shelf on the left, where you keep you manners.

There really are some pedantic fuckers around who would rather nitpick on your posts (while showing very poor comprehension skills) than actually engage with the subject.

 

[Flavour]

"I have no sympathy for them" = engaging with the subject

 

[danny la rouge]

"I have no sympathy for them" = engaging with the subject

Hold on, that’s not what was said or intended. What was said was:

“I don’t wish to seem uncaring but I no longer have any sympathy for a country which has the simplest solution readily to hand and yet refuses to even consider implementing it.”

Now, it’s not what I’d have said, but I understood it to have been an expression of exasperation, weariness, and being at one’s wits’ end.

It’s hard to watch this happening over and over. I lived in Dunblane for 25 years, and had relatives in the school at the time of the tragedy. I have friends whose children lost their lives. I know survivors, and I know one paramedic who was on the scene that day who is still struggling with PTSD and alcoholism as a direct result of what he saw.

And yet I could tell what Rompipalle was trying to express. Imperfectly, perhaps, but who has the right words in the face of the ongoing tragedy? Who can coral their emotions in adequately eloquent turns of phrase? I couldn’t at the news. I just felt sick.

 

[Rompipalle]

Hold on, that’s not what was said or intended. What was said was:

“I don’t wish to seem uncaring but I no longer have any sympathy for a country which has the simplest solution readily to hand and yet refuses to even consider implementing it.”

Now, it’s not what I’d have said, but I understood it to have been an expression of exasperation, weariness, and being at one’s wits’ end.

It’s hard to watch this happening over and over. I lived in Dunblane for 25 years, and had relatives in the school at the time of the tragedy. I have friends whose children lost their lives. I know survivors, and I know one paramedic who was on the scene that day who is still struggling with PTSD and alcoholism as a direct result of what he saw.

And yet I could tell what Rompipalle was trying to express. Imperfectly, perhaps, but who has the right words in the face of the ongoing tragedy? Who can coral their emotions in adequately eloquent turns of phrase? I couldn’t at the news. I just felt sick.

Thank you so much for this.

It is beyond tedious, having to explain myself, in words of one syllable, to people who are wilfully determined to misconstrue or twist my words.

It appears that what I said is in fact NOT difficult to understand and several people, including your good self, understood perfectly well what I was saying.

It is perfectly possible to feel exasperation, frustration and little sympathy or tolerance with a country and culture which could easily solve its gun crime problems, but they persistently choose not to do so.

That in no way suggests or implies that I do not have sympathy for anyone who has lost a loved one in such a shooting incident and I defy anyone to find a post anywhere from me which states otherwise.

Like you danny la rouge , I remember the Dunblane shootings very clearly indeed and like any other parent with a child at school or nursery in Scotland, felt the abject terror and panic at the very first news reports, in which it had not even been confirmed where the incident had taken place.

How anyone can have children attending school in the USA and NOT want changes to their gun laws is a source of total bafflement to me. It is a mindset which I cannot understand and nor do I ever wish to understand it. As a parent it would break my heart to think of my children having to undertake regular lockdown/active shooter drills simply because there’s a sector of society that almost fetishises firearms and reveres the legislation which permits them to be owned, carried and then used to slaughter innocent children.

I will not accept lazy criticism or misinterpretation from people on this forum – people who incidentally know the square root of bugger-all about me - who are constantly spoiling for an argument at the drop of a hat. So, if anyone is thinking is dissecting this post too, in order to find something wrong with my sentiments, you’d be just as well keeping them to yourself because I won’t respond to further crap of that nature.

 

[Cloo]

Shooter was a 15 year old girl apparently:

Wisconsin school shooting was reported by a 2nd-grader, police say

A teenage student opened fire at the Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin, on Monday, killing a teacher and another teenage student in the final week before Christmas break. The shooter died by apparent suicide, police said.

apnews.com

Sadly this meant another example of a particularly gross phenomenon of the last year or two.... yes, 'people transvestigating' the shooter. Because early headlines had 'female' in quotes (presumably because identity wasn't 100% confirmed, not because they had identified the suspect but not their gender) and because 'she went by two names', seriously I saw someone online saying that. These people are literally drooling at the mouth in the hopes that a person who commits an atrocity will turn out to be trans.

 

[ice-is-forming]

Jan 1st 2025

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/world/north-america/multiple-injured-in-mass-shooting-at-nightclub-in-queens-new-york/news-story/798662708f715441dc917af25ef977c2%3famp

Multiple injured in mass shooting at nightclub in Queens, New York​

Multiple people have been rushed to hospital after a mass shooting at a New York nightclub.

 

[Dogsauce]

As a parent it would break my heart to think of my children having to undertake regular lockdown/active shooter drills simply because there’s a sector of society that almost fetishises firearms and reveres the legislation which permits them to be owned, carried and then used to slaughter innocent children.

FWIW the school I work at does lockdown drills, pretty sure it’s a requirement in all English or UK schools and part of safeguarding requirements. Not specific to gun risk but it is there.

But like you, the idea of having metal detectors at schools, or there being a market for bullet-proof rucksacks turns my stomach. And by creating a legal market by which millions of handguns can be bought and owned means that there is global contagion and inevitably such weapons become present in other nations. If there was no legal market and consequent volume of production gun crime would be lower elsewhere too.

 

[A380]

Not sure if this is true, satire or rage bait. It’s sad that it could be any.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not sure if this is true, satire or rage bait. It’s sad that it could be any.

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It's certainly happened as a quick search shows https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/06/us/middle-school-ballistic-shields-trnd/index.html