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I don’t wish to seem uncaring but I no longer have any sympathy for a country which has the simplest solution readily to hand and yet refuses to even consider implementing it.

I pity any child who hopes to grow up in the USA. I wouldn’t live there for anything.
 
Rompipalle said:
I don’t wish to seem uncaring but I no longer have any sympathy for a country which has the simplest solution readily to hand and yet refuses to even consider implementing it.

I pity any child who hopes to grow up in the USA. I wouldn’t live there for anything.
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I was outraged after Columbine. Then I found out mass shootings were 'a thing' in the US. Business as usual. The one that finished off my interest/outrage on the subject was Sandy Hook. After that I knew it would never be seriously addressed. Americans love guns.

I'm actually not anti-gun in the hands of qualified professionals who need them for their work. Or shooting them on a range (which I've done and enjoyed). It's civilians having them I have a problem with.
 
Ming said:
I was outraged after Columbine. Then I found out mass shootings were 'a thing' in the US. Business as usual. The one that finished off my interest/outrage on the subject was Sandy Hook. After that I knew it would never be seriously addressed. Americans love guns.

I'm actually not anti-gun in the hands of qualified professionals who need them for their work. Or shooting them on a range (which I've done and enjoyed). It's civilians having them I have a problem with.
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Yup, I agree with all of that.
 
Here's some of the awful facts about Americans and guns:

There are differences in gun ownership rates by political affiliation, gender, community type and other factors.
  • Party: 45% of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents say they personally own a gun, compared with 20% of Democrats and Democratic leaners.
  • Gender: 40% of men say they own a gun, versus 25% of women.
  • Community type: 47% of adults living in rural areas report owning a firearm, as do smaller shares of those who live in suburbs (30%) or urban areas (20%).
  • Race and ethnicity: 38% of White Americans own a gun, compared with smaller shares of Black (24%), Hispanic (20%) and Asian (10%) Americans.
Gun owners tend to have much more positive feelings about having a gun in the house than nonowners who live with them do. For instance, 71% of gun owners say they enjoy owning a gun – but just 31% of nonowners living in a household with a gun say they enjoy having one in the home. And while 81% of gun owners say owning a gun makes them feel safer, a narrower majority of nonowners in gun households (57%) say the same. Nonowners are also more likely than owners to worry about having a gun at home (27% vs. 12%)

www.pewresearch.org

Key facts about Americans and guns

About six-in-ten U.S. adults (58%) favor stricter gun laws. Another 26% say that U.S. gun laws are about right, while 15% favor less strict gun laws.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org

And the depressing tally so far this year:

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www.gunviolencearchive.org

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org www.gunviolencearchive.org
 
Rompipalle said:
What is there to "enjoy" about having a gun in your house.
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editor said:
Here's some of the awful facts about Americans and guns:

There are differences in gun ownership rates by political affiliation, gender, community type and other factors.
  • Party: 45% of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents say they personally own a gun, compared with 20% of Democrats and Democratic leaners.
  • Gender: 40% of men say they own a gun, versus 25% of women.
  • Community type: 47% of adults living in rural areas report owning a firearm, as do smaller shares of those who live in suburbs (30%) or urban areas (20%).
  • Race and ethnicity: 38% of White Americans own a gun, compared with smaller shares of Black (24%), Hispanic (20%) and Asian (10%) Americans.
Gun owners tend to have much more positive feelings about having a gun in the house than nonowners who live with them do. For instance, 71% of gun owners say they enjoy owning a gun – but just 31% of nonowners living in a household with a gun say they enjoy having one in the home. And while 81% of gun owners say owning a gun makes them feel safer, a narrower majority of nonowners in gun households (57%) say the same. Nonowners are also more likely than owners to worry about having a gun at home (27% vs. 12%)

www.pewresearch.org

Key facts about Americans and guns

About six-in-ten U.S. adults (58%) favor stricter gun laws. Another 26% say that U.S. gun laws are about right, while 15% favor less strict gun laws.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org

And the depressing tally so far this year:

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www.gunviolencearchive.org

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org www.gunviolencearchive.org
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The Pew Research Centre.

The name is so close to perfection.
 
Rompipalle said:
I don’t wish to seem uncaring but I no longer have any sympathy for a country which has the simplest solution readily to hand and yet refuses to even consider implementing it.

I pity any child who hopes to grow up in the USA. I wouldn’t live there for anything.
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You don't need to feel sympathy for a country, that would be weird. Feel sympathy for the families of the people who have lost children shot dead at school, yes, if you don't feel sympathy for them then you're an uncaring ghoul. They are not responsible for their government's policy or indeed the more widely embedded gun culture which it reflects.

Children don't "hope" to grow up anywhere in particular, either. What a weird thing to say.

I pity the children growing up in Palestine, Syria or North Korea a whole lot more than those in the USA, who, on average, will be subjected to significantly more violence during childhood than Americans.
 
I have a friend in Florida who was driving down the road in his golf cart. He stopped to chat to a neighbour who offered him his choice of weapons from his car boot. Apparently this is not uncommon where his house his.

This casual attitude to gun ownership there, and the belief that having the ability, if not right, to kill another person is, undoubtedly, the reason that people being murdered is so normalised there.

Thee is no hope for the US
 
Flavour said:
You don't need to feel sympathy for a country, that would be weird. Feel sympathy for the families of the people who have lost children shot dead at school, yes, if you don't feel sympathy for them then you're an uncaring ghoul. They are not responsible for their government's policy or indeed the more widely embedded gun culture which it reflects.

Children don't "hope" to grow up anywhere in particular, either. What a weird thing to say.

I pity the children growing up in Palestine, Syria or North Korea a whole lot more than those in the USA, who, on average, will be subjected to significantly more violence during childhood than Americans.
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Do you always take every single thing that someone says quite so literally and then pick it apart like an over-zealous anatomist?

It's not clever or incisive. It just makes you look like a tedious, nit-picking twat.

I think my meaning was perfectly clear to anyone who doesn't have their head rammed up their own arse.
 
Rompipalle said:
Do you always take every single thing that someone says quite so literally and then pick it apart like an over-zealous anatomist?

It's not clever or incisive. It just makes you look like a tedious, nit-picking twat.

I think my meaning was perfectly clear to anyone who doesn't have their head rammed up their own arse.
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More rigour is generally expected on the Politics boards* so Flavour's points are reasonable. (Have a look at some of the older content if you really want to see nitpicking :))

*Although given the way they've been going recently, I guess that's unfortunately not really very obvious right now.
 
Sue said:
More rigour is generally expected on the Politics boards* so Flavour's points are reasonable. (Have a look at some of the older content if you really want to see nitpicking :))

*Although given the way they've been going recently, I guess that's unfortunately not really very obvious right now.
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No they're not. They're just exactly what I described them as.

Look, I'm not interested in arguing the toss over semantics. I made myself quite clear - and apparently at least four other people clearly understood the point I was making. Doubtless, if I had used a different form of words, some other nitpicker would have leapt out of the woodwork to take issue with it, so I really have no interest in trying to satisfy the sundry posting requirements of a bunch of argumentative bores.

If he or anyone else wants to pick a fight over how individuals choose to express a perfectly legitimate point then they should go and do so with someone else because I will not engage with any more of these pathetic criticisms.

If people don't like my posts, then they are entirely free to ignore them - I certainly won't be offended - but I'm not going to be lectured to by a bunch of tiresome online nobodies.
 
Flavour said:
You don't need to feel sympathy for a country, that would be weird. Feel sympathy for the families of the people who have lost children shot dead at school, yes, if you don't feel sympathy for them then you're an uncaring ghoul. They are not responsible for their government's policy or indeed the more widely embedded gun culture which it reflects.

Children don't "hope" to grow up anywhere in particular, either. What a weird thing to say.

I pity the children growing up in Palestine, Syria or North Korea a whole lot more than those in the USA, who, on average, will be subjected to significantly more violence during childhood than Americans.
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Do you children in North Korea live in fear of being randomly killed?
 
Rompipalle said:
No they're not. They're just exactly what I described them as.

Look, I'm not interested in arguing the toss over semantics. I made myself quite clear - and apparently at least four other people clearly understood the point I was making. Doubtless, if I had used a different form of words, some other nitpicker would have leapt out of the woodwork to take issue with it, so I really have no interest in trying to satisfy the sundry posting requirements of a bunch of argumentative bores.

If he or anyone else wants to pick a fight over how individuals choose to express a perfectly legitimate point then they should go and do so with someone else because I will not engage with any more of these pathetic criticisms.

If people don't like my posts, then they are entirely free to ignore them - I certainly won't be offended - but I'm not going to be lectured to by a bunch of tiresome online nobodies.
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So Urban is kind of like a pub. If you turn up and start telling the regulars they're doing it wrong, it's not really going to go down so well.

Obviously you're free to say whatever you like. But paying some heed to how things already work is important if you want to rub along with folk.

Just my tuppence worth anyway.
 
Sue said:
So Urban is kind of like a pub. If you turn up and start telling the regulars they're doing it wrong, it's not really going to go down so well.

Obviously you're free to say whatever you like. But paying some heed to how things already work is important if you want to rub along with folk.

Just my tuppence worth anyway.
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I don't believe that I've told anyone they're wrong but unfortunately I (and others) have not been afforded the same courtesy by certain individuals.
 
Sue said:
You have told people they're doing it wrong though, eh? Anyway, leaving this here as I've said my tuppence worth.
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Doing what wrong exactly, I wonder?

Nitpicking? Is there a right way? 🤔

Anyway, back on topic. I'm speculating that a female shooter is still unusual, even by US standards?
 
Rompipalle said:
Do you always take every single thing that someone says quite so literally and then pick it apart like an over-zealous anatomist?

It's not clever or incisive. It just makes you look like a tedious, nit-picking twat.

I think my meaning was perfectly clear to anyone who doesn't have their head rammed up their own arse.
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What do you think forums are for? For you to waffle on with your dreary, insubstantial and inane middle england "analysis" and nobody to call you up on it? You talked about not having sympathy with the victims of a mass shooting in a school. I'm not the one who looks like a twat.

E per l'appunto, visto che sei così fedele al tuo username, ti ricordo gentilmente che anche tu sei libera di ignorare ciò che ti dico, ciao!
 
Flavour said:
What do you think forums are for? For you to waffle on with your dreary, insubstantial and inane middle england "analysis" and nobody to call you up on it? You talked about not having sympathy with the victims of a mass shooting in a school. I'm not the one who looks like a twat.

E per l'appunto, visto che sei così fedele al tuo username, ti ricordo gentilmente che anche tu sei libera di ignorare ciò che ti dico, ciao!
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At no stage did I say I had no sympathy for the victims of shootings so fuck off with your lies.

I said I had no sympathy for America as a country because it holds the solution to its gun-crime problems in its own hands but chooses to do nothing about it, other than pointless hand-wringing and offering equally pointless thoughts and sodding prayers.

And for your information, I'm not "middle-English". I'm not English at all, so shove your baseless assumptions up your capacious arse - second shelf on the left, where you keep you manners.
 
Touched a nerve, did I? Lol

Who feels sympathy for countries? Nobody. Nobody ever says that. You feel sympathy for people. Your words implied you don't feel sympathy for American people -- in the context of a school shooting. Just own it and move on.

And please, keep up with the creative insults.
 
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