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That would work in Switzerland though.

Also almost every adult man, and quite a few women, get given an assault rifle by the government. And they love their privately purchased guns, almost every town having a range, including ones where they shoot over the traffic on dual carriageways.

And yet they don’t have active shooters every couple of days. Perhaps their Nazi gold hoarding culture is fucked up in other, less violent, ways.

I think after they had a murder with a government issued weapon, yes you get to keep an rifle at home, but the government keeps the ammo.
 
you think. but do you have a source to back up your belief? Firearms regulation in Switzerland - Wikipedia makes it sound like it's really easy to get a gun and indeed ammunition in switzerland. at least if you're swiss.

 
ty. this will def work unless they work out they can get a gun and indeed ammunition from other sources than the government
 
( In the UK if the subject had killed 20 kids and then gone into a room alone and the old bill stormed the room and shot him, they’d be quite rightly, looking at a manslaughter investigation.- it’s probably a little bit different in America).

Not sure about this, when you've got unarmed suspects who haven't said boo to a goose much less murdered 20 kids, being executed by filth who have then not even faced disciplinary procedures much less criminal prosecution.
 
Not sure about this, when you've got unarmed suspects who haven't said boo to a goose much less murdered 20 kids, being executed by filth who have then not even faced disciplinary procedures much less criminal prosecution.
Bollocks. Propaganda is useful in your fight Frank. The danger comes when you start to believe your own.
 
I dunno, this is all unutterably horrible, but has anyone got better stats on how many injured at Uvalde? 17, I heard. And the lack of therapy. So awful.



For me, the question is - how many of the children could have survived if they had got medical attention within minutes.

And, I know y'all are going to tell to fuck of with this, why the heck was the door left unlocked!!!

Dude was shooting outside the building, and no one thought to check the doors?

In Canada, dude with a pellet gun was shooting, and all three local schools went in to lockdown.
 
I read somewhere that 40% of the schools budget was being spent on security. It had all the mod cons, everything the Republican right have pushed for in opposition to gun control. Yet, it still fell dramatically short of being able to deter and stop a shooter.
 
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Strangely cops who. Bimble about doling out tickets clearing up after bar fights etc etc.
Don't turn into the delta force at the drop of a hat! 🙄.
It takes training and experience which small police forces don't have first cops on the science could have resolved the issue. But then you get group think commanders turn up who surprisingly think like middle managers rather than a combat leader. Because they spent 20 years managing shifts listening to complaints about one thing or another. Doesn't really say effective crisis management.
The swat team sounda impressive looks the part but won't work.
How could it?
British Armed coppers do a minimum of 8 weeks training and that qualifies them to stand around with a gun.
The coppers who actually do armed entry have to do even more training because it's difficult and dangerous to get right. Those police aren t doing shifts. Your telling me a police department of less than 200 are pulling a dozen officers off duty regularly to practice armed entry drills? Really🙄
 
Strangely cops who. Bimble about doling out tickets clearing up after bar fights etc etc.
Don't turn into the delta force at the drop of a hat! 🙄.
It takes training and experience which small police forces don't have first cops on the science could have resolved the issue. But then you get group think commanders turn up who surprisingly think like middle managers rather than a combat leader. Because they spent 20 years managing shifts listening to complaints about one thing or another. Doesn't really say effective crisis management.
The swat team sounda impressive looks the part but won't work.
How could it?
British Armed coppers do a minimum of 8 weeks training and that qualifies them to stand around with a gun.
The coppers who actually do armed entry have to do even more training because it's difficult and dangerous to get right. Those police aren t doing shifts. Your telling me a police department of less than 200 are pulling a dozen officers off duty regularly to practice armed entry drills? Really🙄




I am very wary of how easy it is to scapegoat the officer who made the call. Yet, according to the protocols cited in video after video, the leading officer failed to identify that people at risk should have warranted an immediate attack from armed personnel.

In fact, another video I watched indicated, the off-duty officers who killed Ramos, actually disobeyed he commanding officers explicit instructions. If that is true, it will come to light very shortly.
 
Strangely cops who. Bimble about doling out tickets clearing up after bar fights etc etc.
Don't turn into the delta force at the drop of a hat! 🙄.
It takes training and experience which small police forces don't have first cops on the science could have resolved the issue. But then you get group think commanders turn up who surprisingly think like middle managers rather than a combat leader. Because they spent 20 years managing shifts listening to complaints about one thing or another. Doesn't really say effective crisis management.

Two months before the shooting, the town's police force had active shooter training, which they apparently ignored.

The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District in Texas hosted active shooter training for its six-member police force two months prior to the massacre at Robb Elementary, based on the "Active Shooter Response for School-Based Law Enforcement" course from the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement, which explicitly states: "First responders to the active shooter scene will usually be required to place themselves in harm's way and display uncommon acts of courage to save the innocent."

The course manual also includes this sobering instruction: "A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field." The training makes clear the "first priority is to move in and confront the attacker."

It is "safer" and "preferable" to have a team of at least four officers move on a subject but, since "time is the number one enemy during active shooter response," even a single officer is expected to act, according to the training document.


 
Two months before the shooting, the town's police force had active shooter training, which they apparently ignored.

The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District in Texas hosted active shooter training for its six-member police force two months prior to the massacre at Robb Elementary, based on the "Active Shooter Response for School-Based Law Enforcement" course from the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement, which explicitly states: "First responders to the active shooter scene will usually be required to place themselves in harm's way and display uncommon acts of courage to save the innocent."

The course manual also includes this sobering instruction: "A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field." The training makes clear the "first priority is to move in and confront the attacker."

It is "safer" and "preferable" to have a team of at least four officers move on a subject but, since "time is the number one enemy during active shooter response," even a single officer is expected to act, according to the training document.


The ucisd cops different from the upd, who are the town's police. The upd have ~40 cops on their books. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/27/uvalde-police-school-chief/
 
It's interesting that the NRA went ahead with the convention in Texas this weekend. Naturally, they've banned attendees from bringing guns into the venue. It's almost as if they realize that having everyone armed to the teeth at all times is a bad idea.

What I found interesting is that they had a fashion show for conceal carry clothing:


A lot of gun culture looks like barely disguised narcissistic preening.
 
It's interesting that the NRA went ahead with the convention in Texas this weekend. Naturally, they've banned attendees from bringing guns into the venue. It's almost as if they realize that having everyone armed to the teeth at all times is a bad idea.

What I found interesting is that they actually had a fashion show for conceal carry clothing:


My theory is that a lot of gun culture is barely disguised narcissistic preening.
Well that was real considerate and sensitive of them
 
Three cops were hit by bullets pretty much as soon as they arrived apparently and this prompted the wait for tactical hear
One of the hardest bits of training for UK firearms officers (apparently) in active shooter response is that anyone with a gun doesn't stop to give first aid to anyone, not other cops, not the public, even if they are children. The drills are to keep going forward till the threat is neutralised. This is part of the reason some ambulance and fire people have ballistic protection and training to work in the warm zone.

Thankfully no one has found out if this training has worked yet.
 
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e2a i would not hold it against them one bit if they were cadging the onion's current front page.
 
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