The American mass shooting thread

[nogojones]

one of the worst things i can imagine would be storming a building you know contains someone who's armed. so tbh it's not a surprise they didn't rush in, you don't know if they knew how many people they'd be facing. but yeh you'd have thought that in all the drills and all the thought that's gone into trying to keep people in american schools safe, someone in the local pd might have put together a plan on how to react to something like this happening. and maybe they'd even have practiced it over the long summer vacation, or at least learned their way around the building/s if they hadn't actually gone to school there.

Apparently, some cops engaged him - but not in any way that stopped him - on the way into the school, so they knew he was on his todd.

They like all the guns and tanks when they're shooting unarmed people, or breaking down doors, but don't do shit when they're needed.

 

[editor]

(Threads merged)

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

This issue of gun control is complicated. These things don't happen because there is a lot of guns, they happen because a massively broken society produces broken people.

Buy while all societies are broken, they are broken in different ways and part of the way America is broken is in the relationship to guns and gun ownership. Any serious attempt to fix american society has to deal with that and part of it could be restricting ownership. But on its own that does nothing to address the real problems. It might help by making these cases less lethal, but don't I think it would make the less common.

Erm, I'll hazard a guess it's major factor, if not the defining factor. I mean, so many other societies are fucked up but don't have the same problem. But the US does have a problem with mass shootings, and coincidentally it's the country with more guns that people... Go figure.

 

[petee]

we've learned from our experiences

"An Arlington elementary school was under lockdown Thursday morning after a parent brought a concealed gun onto school grounds and accidentally shot himself, police said."

Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/arlington/article261829475.html#storylink=cpy

 

[krtek a houby]

It's Canada but possibly a copycat case that was thwarted?

Toronto police fatally shoot man seen carrying rifle near elementary school

 

[Ax^]

 

[Yossarian]

It's Canada but possibly a copycat case that was thwarted?

Toronto police fatally shoot man seen carrying rifle near elementary school

Apparently the only weapon found at the scene was a BB gun.

Kristy Denette, a spokesperson for the province's police watchdog, confirmed that the SIU's mandate had been invoked. She said two Toronto police officers discharged their firearms at the man during an "interaction." "The man was struck, and the man was pronounced deceased at the scene. At this time, the SIU has not yet identified the man," Denette said.

She added that she cannot confirm whether the man had a rifle but said a firearm with a "long barrel" was recovered at the scene. Later in the evening, Denette confirmed to CTV News Toronto that it was a BB gun that was retrieved. "Whether the man was holding it or not, I'm not entirely certain at this point. But that will be something that the SIU investigators will be looking at," Denette said.

Man fatally shot by police near Scarborough school after reportedly being seen with rifle; SIU says BB gun recovered

A man is dead after being shot by police near an elementary school in Scarborough's Port Union area on Thursday afternoon in an incident that prompted hundreds of children at nearby schools to go into lockdown.

www.cp24.com

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Does anyone know the fate of the shooter? I can't find any info.

 

[dylanredefined]

don't know when this was taken but a armed suspect maybe more who been dropping off rucksack and other bags whilst entering the building

wise not to go in

not to defend american cops

There is nothing wise about rushing into a building where someone has a gun. Still has to be done. Not prepared to do this hand your badge in.

 

[dylanredefined]

Does anyone know the fate of the shooter? I can't find any info.

Shot by border patrol officer.

 

[JimW]

Does anyone know the fate of the shooter? I can't find any info.

The Texas one shot dead at scene.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

 

[Yossarian]

Does anyone know the fate of the shooter? I can't find any info.

According to the latest police timeline, the shooter was killed in an exchange of fire with a tactical team that had entered the classroom, although the police version of events seems kind of fluid and it wouldn't be a total surprise if it emerged that the shooter killed himself before cops entered the room.

 

[two sheds]

No this is fair enough, wouldn't have thought of it

 

[Pickman's model]

If those parents had been armed, they'd have been able to get past the people trying to stop them and stop the killer.

cue a load of dead teachers, who of course should have been armed to deal with all eventualities: and perhaps a couple of dead parents too

 

[two sheds]

Post from "former security contractor" on reddit:

It's worse than you think is. I worked in security. I've done everything from personal security to running venue teams.
-Muster points. They're important. Didn't see evidence of set muster points.
-Command. No one knew who was in charge. Nobody wanted to be written up, so kids died.
-Saw one officer muzzle sweep a motherfucker.
-In policing/security theres a saying: work the problem. If you don't receive orders in time, you do work. You assess the situation, based on your training, then you act. Anyone of those officers could've breached at any time. You hear shots, that's where you go. Doesn't matter if you don't receive orders.
-Set up. I saw motherfuckers setting up for after action before they breached. That's logistics, not SWAT!
-Why, in the flying fuck, do you have cops kitted out in breach gear interacting with the parents. They were treating them like rioters.
I could go on, like a lot, but I'm getting too pissed off. The video I saw was without a doubt the worst policing I've ever seen. Everybody was just walking around enjoying being a part of a mass casualty incident in their fancy dress. I wanna puke.
Edit: I'll be honest with y'all, I only watched the one video. I got kids, I wanted to avoid the news. I looked at more videos and read some articles. It's so, so much worse than I thought. Heads need to roll. The cops were breaching, to get their own kids. Fuck Texas, and fuck this country.
Fuck!!

Have seen that last claim before (that police went in to get their own kids) but had thought it was just made up

Plus claims they were tasing parents, including one who went to get his kid from one of the buses they were being brought out in.

 

[Pickman's model]

Post from "former security contractor" on reddit:



Have seen that last claim before (that police went in to get their own kids) but had thought it was just made up

Plus claims they were tasing parents, including one who went to get his kid from one of the buses they were being brought out in.

acab
and some are lazy bastards

 

[Ax^]

There is nothing wise about rushing into a building where someone has a gun. Still has to be done. Not prepared to do this hand your badge in.

aye so let all forget about gun control in the states and blame the cops for not being man enough, hand tag line for the NRA and Gun lobbiest crew to fixated on

it's the mentally ill and scared police men that's the problem not the easy access to firearms and ammunition that's the problem

or was it doors

 

[ovaltina]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but this website gives a grim real=time tally of gun violence incidents across the USA. There were dozens yesterday, and on most days, with one or two killed or injured: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

 

[AmateurAgitator]

 

[ovaltina]

This is the day before Buffalo. No deaths but 17 injuries in a crowded street shootout after a sports event. Sick and sad. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/2301494

 

[AmateurAgitator]

 

[High Voltage]

Rather than just paste YouTube after YouTube for Beau of the Fifth - here's a link to his "Guns 'n' stuff" playlist"



If interested, watch some / all . . . he has a take on gun control that I agree with, mostly, and as an ex-shooter, he's coming from a PoV that may very well work and be accepted by both sides of the argument

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Apparently this police department have received training on how to deal with this scenario, in the senior school in the area. If they weren't willing to use it, then surely it's expensive LARPing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Apparently this police department have received training on how to deal with this scenario, in the senior school in the area. If they weren't willing to use it, then surely it's expensive LARPing.

perhaps the police who'd had the training weren't on shift or had forgotten or the training was shit (i suppose you're talking about the alerrt training?)

 

[petee]

 

[Nylock]

When you think they can't go any lower, they continue to prove that they are more than capable of overperforming when it comes to being abject cunts.

 

[Ax^]

Ron Johnson who take this much from the NRA over the years does not see guns as the problem

• Ron Johnson (Wisconsin) $1,269,486

he can also count any NRA members as voters seriously i'm shocked

 

[Ax^]

might as well put this hear as its been talked about today figures from 2019

Republican Senators Who Receive Funding From the NRA​

• Mitt Romney (Utah) $13,647,676
• Richard Burr (North Carolina) $6,987,380
• Roy Blunt (Missouri) $4,555,722
• Thom Tillis (North Carolina) $4,421,333
• Marco Rubio (Florida) $3,303,355
• Joni Ernst (Iowa) $3,124,773
• Rob Portman (Ohio) $3,063,327
• Todd C. Young (Indiana) $2,897,582
• Bill Cassidy (Louisiana) $2,867,074
• Tom Cotton (Arkansas) $1,968,714
• Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania) $1,475,448
• Josh Hawley (Missouri) $1,391,548
• Marsha Blackburn (Tennessee) $1,306,130
• Ron Johnson (Wisconsin) $1,269,486
• Mitch McConnell (Kentucky) $1,267,139
• Mike Braun (Indiana) $1,249,967
• John Thune (South Dakota) $638,942
• Shelley Moore Capito (West Virginia) $341,738
• Richard Shelby (Alabama) $258,514
• Chuck Grassley (Iowa) $226,007
• John Neely Kennedy (Louisiana) $215,788
• Ted Cruz (Texas) $176,274
• Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) $146,262
• Steve Daines (Montana) $123,711
• Cindy Hyde-Smith (Mississippi) $109,547
• Roger Wicker (Mississippi) $106,680
• Rand Paul (Kentucky) $104,456
• Mike Rounds (South Dakota) $95,049
• John Boozman (Arkansas) $82,352
• John Cornyn (Texas) $78,945
• Ben Sasse (Nebraska) $68,623
• Jim Inhofe (Oklahoma) $66,758
• Lindsey Graham (South Carolina) $55,961
• Mike Crapo (Idaho) $55,039
• Jerry Moran (Kansas) $34,718
• John Barrasso (Wyoming) $26,989
• John Hoeven (North Dakota) $22,050
• Susan Collins (Maine) $19,638
• James Lankford (Oklahoma) $18,955
• Jim Risch (Idaho) $18,850
• Tim Scott (South Carolina) $18,513
• Kevin Cramer (North Dakota) $13,255

guess this has increase year by year after parkland

 

[AmateurAgitator]

You're saying Texas cops ain't armed to the gills? They're better armed than Ukraine.

There's videos of them literally holding back parents who want to rush the school unarmed, whilst the cops are holding assault rifles and ready to deploy tasers at the parents. It took them an hour to pluck up the courage to enter the school.

Must've been a white guy.