The American mass shooting thread

[RedRedRose]

A few links later, on YouTube, I am watching something on the Dunblane Massacre and I'm emotionally overwhelmed

Imagine having an impotent political culture that facilitates that kind of madness ad nausea. Absolutely sickening doesn't even cover it.

 

[Ax^]

imagine a country that is unwilling to act to protect their own children but bulks at the idea of some people not want to produce more of them

 

[chandlerp]

well now they're banning abortion there's plenty of replacement targets to be born.

 

[Pickman's model]

imagine a country that is unwilling to act to protect their own children but bulks at the idea of some people not want to produce more of them

you'd have thought it would be less traumatic for everyone concerned just to allow abortions which ought to filter out some of the people who would otherwise go on to be 'spree' killers.

 

[Ax^]

in a country were eugenics and sterilisation programme were still going on to the 1940 suggesting something along those lines might encourage the wrong sort of people

 

[Pickman's model]

Horrible but what do you mean by middle class and well to do people?

but answer came there none

 

[Pickman's model]

in a country were eugenics and sterilisation programme were still going on to the 1940 suggesting something along those lines might encourage the wrong sort of people

sure there was shit going on after the 1940s, tuskagee for example

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

in a country were eugenics and sterilisation programme were still going on to the 1940 suggesting something along those lines might encourage the wrong sort of people

The Tuskeegee experiment ran from 1937 until 1972. It wasn't the only experiment the government has done on its own citizens. It did radiation experiments on its own military in the 1950s. If you read the current contract when you sign up for the military, one of the things you're doing is giving them permission. They also did experiments on prisoners and people in mental institutions. Then, they spent decades denying it until everyone they experimented on was gone.

 

[Idris2002]

IIRC Idris was saying that some scholars of Civil war had noted (pre Trump) that the way that various political groups discussed each other in the US was reminiscent of the way such groups referred to each other in the prelude to civil wars in developing countries.

I can't find the post, but I think I was talking about a conversation I'd had with a much older American colleague. His field site had been Mali, so that was his experience of civil strife in the developing world.

(On another occassion, I came back from lunch to find him quite excited - "Idris, Idris, a nubile young woman just called to ask if she could borrow your computer screen wipes". Later on, he was transferred to her office, but apparently behaved himself).

 

[nogojones]

 

[Johnny Vodka]

View attachment 324183

Not that I'm suggesting armed cops are a great thing, but when a psycho can go to the local gun shop and buy a weapon of war that cops mostly don't carry...

 

[nogojones]

Not that I'm suggesting armed cops are a great thing, but when a psycho can go to the local gun shop and buy a weapon of war that cops mostly don't carry...

You're saying Texas cops ain't armed to the gills? They're better armed than Ukraine.

There's videos of them literally holding back parents who want to rush the school unarmed, whilst the cops are holding assault rifles and ready to deploy tasers at the parents. It took them an hour to pluck up the courage to enter the school.

 

[Pickman's model]

You're saying Texas cops ain't armed to the gills? They're better armed than Ukraine.

There's videos of them literally holding back parents who want to rush the school unarmed, whilst the cops are holding assault rifles and ready to deploy tasers at the parents. It took them an hour to pluck up the courage to enter the school.

one of the worst things i can imagine would be storming a building you know contains someone who's armed. so tbh it's not a surprise they didn't rush in, you don't know if they knew how many people they'd be facing. but yeh you'd have thought that in all the drills and all the thought that's gone into trying to keep people in american schools safe, someone in the local pd might have put together a plan on how to react to something like this happening. and maybe they'd even have practiced it over the long summer vacation, or at least learned their way around the building/s if they hadn't actually gone to school there.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

You're saying Texas cops ain't armed to the gills? They're better armed than Ukraine.

There's videos of them literally holding back parents who want to rush the school unarmed, whilst the cops are holding assault rifles and ready to deploy tasers at the parents. It took them an hour to pluck up the courage to enter the school.

Oh right, I assumed they wouldn't routinely carry anything as powerful as what the killer had. If they were well-armed, it doesn't sound like they have much of an excuse for not going in sooner.

 

[Cloo]

Yes, if they're making kids practise drills, surely the 'good guys with guns' should have their own drills as to how to respond.

I see Ted Cruz was going to the whole 'Well just because a violent psychopath happens to get guns every once in a while...' line. Well then maybe 'violent psychopaths' when spottable shouldn't be able to get guns? Maybe people considered too young to drink alcohol should be considered not mentally settled enough to be able to get guns?

 

[dylanredefined]

one of the worst things i can imagine would be storming a building you know contains someone who's armed. so tbh it's not a surprise they didn't rush in, you don't know if they knew how many people they'd be facing. but yeh you'd have thought that in all the drills and all the thought that's gone into trying to keep people in american schools safe, someone in the local pd might have put together a plan on how to react to something like this happening. and maybe they'd even have practiced it over the long summer vacation, or at least learned their way around the building/s if they hadn't actually gone to school there.

The drill is if you arrive you are supposed to go in. None of this waiting for SWAT if the perp is shooting at you at least he is not shooting kids. This is what cops signed up to do. Whoever decided to wait should be sacked.

 

[alex_]

one of the worst things i can imagine would be storming a building you know contains someone who's armed. so tbh it's not a surprise they didn't rush in

It’s literally what they are for !

 

[Ax^]

one of the worst things i can imagine would be storming a building you know contains someone who's armed. so tbh it's not a surprise they didn't rush in, you don't know if they knew how many people they'd be facing. but yeh you'd have thought that in all the drills and all the thought that's gone into trying to keep people in american schools safe, someone in the local pd might have put together a plan on how to react to something like this happening. and maybe they'd even have practiced it over the long summer vacation, or at least learned their way around the building/s if they hadn't actually gone to school there.

which is why the fallacy and down right lie of the NRA, Gun Lobbist and the gun loving American that a good guy with a Gun would sort it out is such other ballocks

does not work that way even trained people outside of madmen are more likely to shit themselves at the idea of it

 

[bcuster]

You're saying Texas cops ain't armed to the gills? They're better armed than Ukraine.

There's videos of them literally holding back parents who want to rush the school unarmed, whilst the cops are holding assault rifles and ready to deploy tasers at the parents. It took them an hour to pluck up the courage to enter the school.

 

[RedRedRose]

Uses a press conference for basket ball to talk about gun violence. Total respect!

 

[Tony_LeaS]

All then good people with guns stopping people without guns getting their kids from someone in the school with a gun.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

All then good people with guns stopping people without guns getting their kids from someone in the school with a gun.

If those parents had been armed, they'd have been able to get past the people trying to stop them and stop the killer.

 

[Ax^]

All then good people with guns stopping people without guns getting their kids from someone in the school with a gun.

don't know when this was taken but a armed suspect maybe more who been dropping off rucksack and other bags whilst entering the building

wise not to go in

not to defend american cops

 

[bcuster]

 

[Yossarian]

If those parents had been armed, they'd have been able to get past the people trying to stop them and stop the killer.

"We need guns so if a bad guy with a gun makes it past good guys with guns, other, more motivated, good guys with guns will be able to get past the original good guys with guns."

 

[High Voltage]

If you're a cop and you're being shot at, then they're not shooting at a kid

 

[alex_]

don't know when this was taken but a armed suspect maybe more who been dropping off rucksack and other bags whilst entering the building

wise not to go in

not to defend american cops

Maybe once he has killed all of the kids, he will surrender - good point.

 

[Ax^]

what that thing they talk about creating a kill zone

oh well

 

[bcuster]

Husband of slain Uvalde teacher dies of heart attack after visiting memorial at school

The husband of one of the slain Uvalde teachers died of a heart attack Thursday, two days after the school shooting that also killed another teacher and 19...

www.dallasnews.com

 

[nogojones]

"We need guns so if a bad guy with a gun makes it past good guys with guns, other, more motivated, good guys with guns will be able to get past the original good guys with guns."

I think you're mistaking cops for good guys here