The 2024 UK General Election - news, speculation and updates

[The39thStep]

Labour have roughly 2/3 of the seats for 1/3 of the vote

But yeah let’s keep FPTP

What I love about these boards is how PR was championed by some posters as a way of the 'left' getting more representation and then PR is cautioned against as it gives the populist right more representation. No political solutions about how to fight the right wing when they are either in office or in opposition, just change the way the votes are proportioned and counted.

 

[bemused]

The news has become boring as they talk about meeting the King and shaking hands. Essentially they are making a very boring event sound somehow important.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Bring back lilt?

Bring back Opal Fruits.

 

[Cerv]

The news has become boring as they talk about meeting the King and shaking hands. Essentially they are making a very boring event sound somehow important.

there's a lot of air time to fill.

 

[weepiper]

That's interesting, the SNP had a majority of over 14k, I wonder which party is running them close, at least we can rule out Reform.

Other than that seat, just 2 left to declare.

Lib Dems. It was Charles Kennedy's constituency so not surprising.

So what did happen to the SNP vote?

A bit of vote lending to Labour to get rid of the Tories. A bit of what Sue said, they've been in power here for a long time and nothing lasts forever. A bit of disgust at them having made a fucking pigs ear of things in the last 18 months. A bit of the electorate thinking well what's the fucking point voting for them in a Westminster election, after all we returned a huge thumping majority of the available seats SNP in the last couple and what happened to further progress towards independence? Fuck all.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Bring back Opal Fruits.

Marathon not a sprint

 

[Artaxerxes]

We had a referendum on electoral reform already. If we are going to start having a second pop at referenda, then there is a more pressing one to go for first.

It’s funny how we had one to change from ftfp in the entire country but didn’t have one to arbitrarily remove democracy in the London elections

It’s almost as if one isn’t needed, it just needs the political parties to just fucking do it

 

[Elpenor]

What I love about these boards is how PR was championed by some posters as a way of the 'left' getting more representation and then PR is cautioned against as it gives the populist right more representation. No political solutions about how to fight the right wing when they are either in office or in opposition, just change the way the votes are proportioned and counted.

It’s the right electoral system only when it gives the right result. When it would give us liberals and fascists (assuming you can tell the difference) then it’s badissimo

 

[Knotted]

Obviously it would be disingenuous to suggest that number of seats doesn't matter, but...

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Starmer's Labour has managed to just squeeze out more votes than Miliband's

In the post war period the only times Labour have had less than 10 million votes in a general election were in 1983, 2005, 2010, 2015 and now 2024. The only two elections out of the last 6 where they got more than 10 million were the two where they were headed by Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[Idaho]

Bring back lilt?

Multi way vote including Quatro and Umbongo.

 

[Cerv]

It’s funny how we had one to change from ftfp in the entire country but didn’t have one to arbitrarily remove democracy in the London elections

It’s almost as if one isn’t needed, it just needs the political parties to just fucking do it

IIRC at the tail end of the Brown era parliament already voted in favour replace FPTP with AV or AV+ without any referendum. it just didn't make it onto the statue book before things were dissolved for the 2010 election.

 

[Bingoman]

Wow I go to bed about 230 this morning only wake up to see some very surprising results including Johnathan Ashworth losing and The Lib Dems have their best ever results wow

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

In the post war period the only times Labour have had less than 10 million votes in a general election were in 1983, 2005, 2010, 2015 and now 2024. The only two elections out of the last 6 where they got more than 10 million were the two where they were headed by Jeremy Corbyn.

It's almost as if the new Labour leadership were dishonest.

 

[Knotted]

It's almost as if the new Labour leadership were dishonest.

And shit

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What I love about these boards is how PR was championed by some posters as a way of the 'left' getting more representation and then PR is cautioned against as it gives the populist right more representation. No political solutions about how to fight the right wing when they are either in office or in opposition, just change the way the votes are proportioned and counted.

I've always adocated PR on the simple basis of fairness and democratic representation. It does not in and of itself produce good political outcomes. It does not in and of itself embody a way to fight the right wing.

I'm not sure you represent people's views fairly here.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I've always adocated PR on the simple basis of fairness and democratic representation. It does not in and of itself produce good political outcomes. It does not in and of itself embody a way to fight the right wing.

I'm not sure you represent people's views fairly here.

This

 

[Knotted]

Talking of dishonest and shit does Chris Mason work for the Labour Party or something?

Chris Mason: A spectacular night for Labour

The story of this election is one of an electorate showing a determination to eject the Conservatives, the BBC's political editor says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The39thStep]

I've always adocated PR on the simple basis of fairness and democratic representation. It does not in and of itself produce good political outcomes. It does not in and of itself embody a way to fight the right wing.

I'm not sure you represent people's views fairly here.

Not sure you represent my views fairly. I said some posters.

 

[Wilf]

The loss in 2019 was largely due to Brexit.

This win is due to the Conservatives imploding and Reform taking over large parts of their vote share.

It's got nothing to do with the grown ups being back in the room. My gut feeling is that if they'd run anything that actually proposed any kind of change then this would have been even bigger.

Imagine a Corbyn style manifesto but with somebody who half the population didn't think was a terrorist.

What a waste.

100% this. Could have been a manifesto around steps towards public ownership, redistribution and food poverty.

 

[Wilf]

That's the most disturbing GE photo I've seen.

Wait till you see the first pic of Starmer's cabinet.

 

[steveo87]

Is this the bit where he gets replaced by a shape shifting alien lizard? Or have I read too much into it?

 

[Knotted]

The Tory wipe out predicted by some of the MRPs didn't happen in the end, instead we have a result similar to 1997 in terms of seats ie. a Labour landslide but not some total victory. So all in all you might say the Tories did well on the night to avoid complete disaster. But there is an important but, they lost in a landslide to a Labour Party that is underperforming and actually did worse than predicted. So I think it really was a truly terrible result for them. Saved from annihilation by Labour incompetence and complacency.

Going forward I think we may be seeing the beginning of the end of the two party system. In general I have a rough idea what the next general election will look like. I have no idea what 2028/9 will look like.

 

[scifisam]

Sorry, I've had three hours sleep. I wasnt saying it would have been better with Corbyn. I was saying a leader who wasn't him with a manifesto that offered anything remotely new.

But he was monstered by the press because of his politics. It wasn't that they hated him personally but liked what he was saying, they hated him because of what he was saying.

 

[philosophical]

How would a PR system accommodate the Corbyn result and the Ashworth defeat?
Do away with constituencies?
That would be a no from me.

 

[Wilf]

So at a time when the Tories turn to goo Labour only get 2% more than 2019! An election, 2019, which had just about every single factor working against Corbyn. Including of course the Brexit policy navigated by kieth. Fuck me and they are lauding him as some kind of genius/taker of tough decisions! To do so BADLY tells a different story. Shocking.

 

[kenny g]

So at a time when the Tories turn to goo Labour only get 2% more than 2019! An election, 2019, which had just about every single factor working against Corbyn. Including of course the Brexit policy navigated by kieth. Fuck me and they are lauding him as some kind of genius/taker of tough decisions! To do so BADLY tells a different story. Shocking.

Englishnplesse

 

[YouSir]

How would a PR system accommodate the Corbyn result and the Ashworth defeat?
Do away with constituencies?
That would be a no from me.

I'm no expert at all but something like Single Transferable Vote would allow for independents to win and retain local/constituency links.

 

[marty21]

Long night , went to bed at 6.30 & woke up at 9.30 ffs (afternoon nap to come)

Missed Liz Truss losing ffs

Reform did well in votes & gifted Labour with a Landslide

I am happy to see the Tories in the dustbin but underwhelmed by the Labour Landslide.

Telling that the 4 (so far, one possible one to come) were all well-known, Farage , Tice, #30pLee and Lowe . None of the rest of the lunatics won.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But he was monstered by the press because of his politics. It wasn't that they hated him personally but liked what he was saying, they hated him because of what he was saying.

Absolutely. But even with that monstering he nearly won in 2017, and I have no doubt Labour under Corbyn would have won this year as well. And a Labour party with a majority of 1 under Corbyn (even a labour party that had to join forces with the Greens to make a majority) would be infinitely better than a party under Starmer with any majority.

 

[xenon]

Marathon not a sprint

Ahem, Snickers not a sprint.