The 2019 General Election

[HoratioCuthbert]

Exactly, being a “middle class refugees welcome banner” sort myself i should have been “innately remain”. But this isn’t where I ended up.

Both in quotes cause both statements are pish

 

[WouldBe]

One of those metropolitan elite remainer types calls LBC and sticks it to the leavers

Emily Thornberry?

 

[Humberto]

I think making Corbyn out to be the bad guy/fall guy is a real mistake. He came along with vision and solid ideas. In fact he was TOO nice. Arguably he brought the Labour party back from the brink of oblivion. Sounds hyperbolic though as I write it. The guy was besieged by his own party, for what? By those who forgot their duty, or don't care about anything but their career?

Remind me, how does a party whose own parliamentary members are constantly attacking and undermining the leadership and throwing digs in at every opportunity expect to win standing in front of a rabidly hostile press?

It's not Labour voters who need to take a look at themselves. I'm disappointed with the result like everyone else who knew it was the better deal.

 

[8ball]

I can agree with some of that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think making Corbyn out to be the bad guy/fall guy is a real mistake. He came along with vision and solid ideas. In fact he was TOO nice. Arguably he brought the Labour party back from the brink of oblivion. Sounds hyperbolic though as I write it. The guy was besieged by his own party, for what? By those who forgot their duty, or don't care about anything but their career?

Remind me, how does a party whose own parliamentary members are constantly attacking and undermining the leadership and throwing digs in at every opportunity expect to win standing in front of a rabidly hostile press?

It's not Labour voters who need to take a look at themselves. I'm disappointed with the result like everyone else who knew it was the better deal.

I agree with the bringing the lp back from the brink bit. It was needed, and it's easy to forget how much it was needed. I would add though that doing that was kind of his job, his role, but in an ideal world perhaps he would not have stood as leader for this election. His good work was done in the first couple of years, and his successor could have been his legacy. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that this manifesto, or the heart of it, and it was a manifesto with heart, could have been his legacy.

Might still have lost though. 'Get Brexit Done', where that phrase was explicitly tied in with ending free movement, was wot won it. I'm not sure anything would have countered that, sadly. In that sense, I do think it was the voters who were wrong. Everyone voting tory is wrong! They always have been.

 

[Gramsci]

There's no one factor to blame for Labours defeat.

Corbyn vs Johnson in 2017 would likely have been a decent win but the man's never been charismatic enough to win over the gruff builders, plumbers and delivery driver types who make up much of the modern working class. At the same time Labour has drifted away from supporting these people and mattering to them the last few decades, instead they've been sold the lie that immigration is to blame for all ills and Corbyn was never going to all out and support anti-immigration.w.

I was working with my deliver driver workmate yesterday.

He was having a go at Blair. Had heard him on the radio in the morning. Said he should be up for war crimes and just wanted to push the Labour party to the right again. Which he. disagreed with. Didnt have anything good to say about Blair's wife either.

Another one I know was hoping Corbyn would win.

Neither of them blame immigration for all ills.

I am in London.

 

[8ball]

I was chatting with a local Tory councillor in the pub and mentioned that, seen from space, borders make no sense whatsoever and that the greatest injustice on the planet at this time is how your life chances are heavily dictated by geography.

I’m not a radical “no borders” type in any simplistic sense, but in broad brush strokes it seems like a basic human problem that we need to deal with.

To him, even the concepts seemed enraging. It’s a hard gap to bridge.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I was working with my deliver driver workmate yesterday.

He was having a go at Blair. Had heard him on the radio in the morning. Said he should be up for war crimes and just wanted to push the Labour party to the right again. Which he. disagreed with. Didnt have anything good to say about Blair's wife either.

Another one I know was hoping Corbyn would win.

Neither of them blame immigration for all ills.

I am in London.

Always a problem when you deal with trying to stereotype, you end up talking bollocks and missing people out.

Sorry old bean.

 

[crossthebreeze]

Laura Pidcock has put out a "Letter to the people I represented" (North West Durham constituency) which is worth a read

"Firstly, what was acutely obvious throughout my time as the MP, was that there was a hard core of people who were bitterly angry with me before I had even opened my mouth: angry at the political establishment; angry at the expenses scandal; angry at being left behind, angry that their life was not as good now as it was; angry that their communities had not been invested in and that there was no longer a buzz and a sense of community about the place.

At many doors, there was a mixture of fury and apathy at successive governments (and I very much include New Labour in that). The current Labour Party were blamed for much of the problems in our communities, despite being out of power for a decade and I was seen as part of the establishment."...

"On Jeremy. This bit is hard, because when I knocked on your doors in 2017, so many of you talked about what a good guy he seemed, that he was on the side of the people and that he was getting a very hard time from people inside the Labour Party and out. People who were less friendly to Labour spoke about how damaging a divided party is, about things like the IRA and the connections internationally that you didn’t understand or agree with.

By 2019, you seemed so much angrier about Jeremy Corbyn. I had a handful of angry people say “I would shoot him” or “take a gun to his head” whilst in the next breath calling him an extremist. But mostly people were not connecting with him for lots of different reasons. I know people on either side of the Brexit division wanted him to come down on the side of Remain or Leave. I don’t want to patronise anyone by saying that this was all the fault of the media. I know people make up their own minds. But I cannot and will not accept that the media had no part. So much of the coverage sought to demolish Jeremy from day one, not because of him as a person, but because of his politics."
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She also talks a lot about her frustration at getting policies like employment rights into the media, instead getting asked constantly about Corbyn's popularity or political gossip, and about how unpopular the Labour Brexit policy was.

 

[treelover]

Labour had a superlative disability manifesto, it got hardly any coverage, there were real issues with A/S and an element of the party, supporters, etc, but the coverage thery gave to noneties like Ian Austin, particuarly compared to Tory dissenters, was appalling, and unaceptable.

 

[gosub]

 

[treelover]

Queen's speech: national living wage increase could be shelved if economy falters, government suggests – live news

Queen's speech: national living wage increase could be shelved if economy falters, government suggests – live news

So it begins, one born every minute

 

[treelover]

Time for a people's march?, would be a sign the wider left has learnt some lessons from the defeat.

 

[treelover]

 

[treelover]

Hey @JakeBerry what are you guys in the hunting pack going to do about this - as your constituents are on some of the lowest poverty wages in the UK?

Robert Schopen added,

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[SpookyFrank]

Diverse bunch aren't they? Any of them not called Simon?

 

[teqniq]

Either way they're all cunts.

 

[treelover]

So gutted that John Mc lost the plot, he had some amazing prepatory with economic plans, would have made a great chancellor, but then spread offers round like confetti.

 

[Proper Tidy]

So gutted that John Mc lost the plot, he had some amazing prepatory with economic plans, would have made a great chancellor, but then spread offers round like confetti.

In 2017 some fairly radical policy (in context of westminster elections anyway) announcements caught a bit of a wave and got talked about, I think it was just a badly executed attempt to recreate that

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Should be tree pissing all over everything else.

 

[AnandLeo]

After the general election, not just the labour party, but the whole country that including Conservative party are struggling to find what caused the Labour’s rout. Everyone knows that Jeremy Corbyn was a controversial leader to be the Prime Minister of UK when he was elected leader of the Labour party. However, at the 2017 general election he managed to market the Labour manifesto to the country successfully against the Theresa May’s government and improve the Labour’s position in the parliament. That was a stunning achievement for a controversial party leader. Since then Corbyn performed comfortably with much less controversy. No one including the media and the Conservative party expected Tory landslide victory, considering the Boris Johnson’s frenzied conduct until up to the election. He was agitated by his vulnerability of leading a minority government with a pathetically divided and penalised Conservative party.
During the election campaign Nigel Farage’s Brexit party gave fullest support for the Conservative party. The Labour party produced an unprecedented radically socialist manifesto which is somewhat surreal. Probably the Labour manifesto was incredible even to the Labour supporters. In my opinion, most of all, people who voted for Brexit are the Labour supporters in the north. Before the election, Boris Johnson managed to reach a Brexit deal with the approval of the parliament. The Labour Brexit supporters followed through the outcome of this Brexit deal, and gave an election result approving the Brexit deal. The controversial character of the Jeremy Corbyn also may have lurked to some extent. I reckon, the Brexit deal already agreed, the ultra-socialist Labour manifesto, Brexit party election manoeuvring in support of the Conservative party, and the unpopularity of Jeremy Corbyn as a Prime Minister, in that order are the factors that led to the downfall of the Labour party. I am suggesting the traditional Labour voters in the north voted for Brexit in the referendum – and they voted for Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal in the general election.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Brilliant reading of what radical socialism is there

 

[Steel Icarus]

Zac Goldsmith loses seat but given life peerage so he can stay on as whatever ministerial role he won't do properly

These fucking parasites

 

[kebabking]

After the general election, not just the labour party, but the whole country that including Conservative party are struggling to find what caused the Labour’s rout. Everyone knows that Jeremy Corbyn was a controversial leader to be the Prime Minister of UK when he was elected leader of the Labour party. However, at the 2017 general election he managed to market the Labour manifesto to the country successfully against the Theresa May’s government and improve the Labour’s position in the parliament. That was a stunning achievement for a controversial party leader. Since then Corbyn performed comfortably with much less controversy. No one including the media and the Conservative party expected Tory landslide victory, considering the Boris Johnson’s frenzied conduct until up to the election. He was agitated by his vulnerability of leading a minority government with a pathetically divided and penalised Conservative party.
During the election campaign Nigel Farage’s Brexit party gave fullest support for the Conservative party. The Labour party produced an unprecedented radically socialist manifesto which is somewhat surreal. Probably the Labour manifesto was incredible even to the Labour supporters. In my opinion, most of all, people who voted for Brexit are the Labour supporters in the north. Before the election, Boris Johnson managed to reach a Brexit deal with the approval of the parliament. The Labour Brexit supporters followed through the outcome of this Brexit deal, and gave an election result approving the Brexit deal. The controversial character of the Jeremy Corbyn also may have lurked to some extent. I reckon, the Brexit deal already agreed, the ultra-socialist Labour manifesto, Brexit party election manoeuvring in support of the Conservative party, and the unpopularity of Jeremy Corbyn as a Prime Minister, in that order are the factors that led to the downfall of the Labour party. I am suggesting the traditional Labour voters in the north voted for Brexit in the referendum – and they voted for Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal in the general election.

Fantastic analysis. Your position as Urbans most incisive political commentator would have been assured if only exactly the same conclusion had not been reached a week ago by the entire English speaking world.

Any news from Lucknow?

 

[Mr Moose]

After the general election, not just the labour party, but the whole country that including Conservative party are struggling to find what caused the Labour’s rout. Everyone knows that Jeremy Corbyn was a controversial leader to be the Prime Minister of UK when he was elected leader of the Labour party. However, at the 2017 general election he managed to market the Labour manifesto to the country successfully against the Theresa May’s government and improve the Labour’s position in the parliament. That was a stunning achievement for a controversial party leader. Since then Corbyn performed comfortably with much less controversy. No one including the media and the Conservative party expected Tory landslide victory, considering the Boris Johnson’s frenzied conduct until up to the election. He was agitated by his vulnerability of leading a minority government with a pathetically divided and penalised Conservative party.
During the election campaign Nigel Farage’s Brexit party gave fullest support for the Conservative party. The Labour party produced an unprecedented radically socialist manifesto which is somewhat surreal. Probably the Labour manifesto was incredible even to the Labour supporters. In my opinion, most of all, people who voted for Brexit are the Labour supporters in the north. Before the election, Boris Johnson managed to reach a Brexit deal with the approval of the parliament. The Labour Brexit supporters followed through the outcome of this Brexit deal, and gave an election result approving the Brexit deal. The controversial character of the Jeremy Corbyn also may have lurked to some extent. I reckon, the Brexit deal already agreed, the ultra-socialist Labour manifesto, Brexit party election manoeuvring in support of the Conservative party, and the unpopularity of Jeremy Corbyn as a Prime Minister, in that order are the factors that led to the downfall of the Labour party. I am suggesting the traditional Labour voters in the north voted for Brexit in the referendum – and they voted for Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal in the general election.

Any word on why you never see a dinosaur these days? I like to keep up with developments.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Well I enjoyed AnandLeo's post anyway

 

[chilango]

Brilliant reading of what radical socialism is there

...and of "unprecedented" in all honesty.

 

[DexterTCN]

I think the important thing is that the left, having been absolutely pounded in England, keeps itself fragmented and hostile.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Well I enjoyed AnandLeo's post anyway

Oh, I enjoyed it immensely.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I think the important thing is that the left, having been absolutely pounded in England, keeps itself fragmented and hostile.

Didn't it get pounded in scotland too