emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
By criminalising it and generally creating an even more inhospitable environment for the homeless I imagine.
The 2019 General Election
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Deadline to make trains accessible for disabled ripped up in Boris Johnson's first 'broken promise' since election win
Er, not his first, but telling.
Er, not his first, but telling.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Interesting chart
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Interesting chart
Very interesting, especially given that for the Novara types everyone who has a job is ‘literally’ working class. Like when they profess to be ‘literally’ communists the attention to political detail is a touch off, here the sociological detail is somewhat lacking..
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Shit flounce is shit flounce
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
don't know exactly how they did it, but some things use "unemployed" and "economically inactive" as different things
"not working" in this context could include some or all of full time carers (in the sense of caring for family member, not in the sense of paid care worker) / housewives and househusbands / people who are sick or disabled and unable to work
Lurdan
old wave
As part of the demographic in question I can't say I'd miss it myself. I certainly won't be voting for any of these fuckers.Electoral reform... take the vote off over-65s?
Nonetheless I think I'd prefer to stick to Plan A. Hang the last capitalist with the guts of the last politician. Then start the deep cull of all their upper, middle and lower middle class lickspittles and enablers.
ska invita
back on the other side
interesting that, would be (fairly) curious to see per seat demographics including on the vote itself. Of course its true that grassroots politics have to be done by local people - you cant/wouldn't want to parachute/astroturf - which leads to the question, who lives in place X exactly to engage in this? Age as well as wealth is an issue too
(not sure as change since when on that graph but gives an impresion)
Good piece in Freedom on this change in rural/small town demographics
The left’s generation crisis: How can we grow without seeds?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, posted in the thread about organising post/in/against/whatever with the Labour party.
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Love this pre-election satisfaction chart. Corbyn's popularity compared with other elections. No one can say Corbyn wasn't a problem but Boris wasn't great either.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Obviously true corbyn was a problem but that drop from '17 (when more popular than miliband, brown, and tail end 'bush and' blair) to '19 - what changed there then. Rhetorical btw.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
They took him seriously so the media pile-on went into overdrive.
shame the Labour Party couldn’t have played up stuff like his virtuousness on expenses (versus Johnson who once tried to put his £30 cenotaph wreath on expenses) but the opposition doesn’t get to choose the battlegrounds.
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
Anti semitism.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I think tories learnt lessons from 17 and ran a more vicious and effective media/social media campaign but it's not like 17 was benign, the pile on was in overdrive then too
Again how is this different to 17, if anything not as big an issue this time around (17 was just after mural, which was indefensible)
I mean come on, the only substantial difference between 17 and 19 was labour's position on brexit. The tory vote remained where it was, labour's fell away, seat losses in england and wales pretty much all leave seats
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gosub
~#
It can do, they didn't though. They are along way from Blair's frighteningly formidable operation - the 'grid' in the last election was so closely guarded it defeated the purpose of having one and when they had a candidate saying things weren't going well they added to a list of where to target resources without ever re-prioritising by taking other ones off .... Milliband will have quite a lot for his report. Though I'll add one that won't probably make it.....
Over the last 3 years I've watched remainers do their best Duke Brothers from Trading Places impression "turn the machines back on!" as they refused to accept the result and attempt to continue fighting the referendum with a strategy of trying to win hearts and minds by hurrling abuse. Anyway endured last two months of facebook filling up with political shares, but the election ended 2 weeks ago... I had a widely shared "In his first four days as Prime Monster of the United Kingdom Boris Johnson has:" on Christmas Eve, some twat thinking Xmas Eve night down the pub would be a good time to bring up Brexit and a fucking Councillor putting out political attack tweets at 3am Xmas morning. Just fuck off.
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teqniq
DisMembered
Funny you should bring that up. I was just reading this:
Questions Beginning to Be Raised About Voting Irregularities at British General Election | Red Revolution Media
No idea as to the truth of it though, not come across the website before either.
Questions Beginning to Be Raised About Voting Irregularities at British General Election | Red Revolution Media
No idea as to the truth of it though, not come across the website before either.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Definitely the Jews
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Very reminiscent of the last time this was brought up after the EU ref...turns out that the claims of 1.1m PVs going astray was..er...basically made up of those who had decided not to vote, missed the deadline or forgot to put their mark on the paper.
Grade A bolllux.
ska invita
back on the other side
A little thought about pensioners, material conditions aside:Electoral reform... take the vote off over-65s?
e2a: ...tongue firmly in cheek...
-they are proportionally far more reliant on traditional media than younger people + more likely to be duped by false information
-and also: was talking to someone recently with Ukrainian heritage, and she made what may be a good point (hard to know if its true or not) that for this generation of pensioners - if aged 75 now would've been 30 in 1975 - they may perhaps be more likely to have both negative attitudes towards (20th Century) Communism and also with a socialist Labour Party more broadly.
Connotations might slip towards authoritarianism, the winter of discontent, and the usual reds under the bed / cold war stuff. The Corbyn was a spy/Russian lacky slurs play well to that prejudice. Possibly much more baggage there than for younger voters
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't buy the second bit. It's not so long ago that labour was unquestioningly the socialist party. If anything older people should think this less odd rather than more.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
tbh, I think the second point is potentially quite a credible affective trigger for the 70+ cohort.
It's not far fetched to believe that many of those sensing that things were better before the UK joined the EEC, would also well remember that the communists were presented as the main threat to that perception of security.
Never mind that it was the very existence of such system competition that drew the concessions from capital characterising the Les Trente Glorieuses, for many in that cohort anything presented as commie (like IRA loving Corbyn who'll take your house away) reminds them of all that was presented as wrong back then.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Was fear of The Reds really ever that strong here, other than among a small cohort of right-wingers? There was never any real purge of 'communists' here in the UK. In fact those purged in the US came here to escape the red menace hysteria. Fear of nuclear war, sure, but not actual fear of communist takeover from within. The 80+ cohort will remember just about a time when Britain reacted to winning WW2 by electing a socialist government that did very socialist things. They may remember that 'commies' fought the Nazis.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Fair points but I'm thinking that for some in that cohort we're dealing more with the affective domain than the results of any substantial historical analysis.
As some may feel that things were better before the EEC meddled in our affairs, so they may harbour a long constructed belief that communism (and anything that they were/are told smacked of it) was/is a also a threat to former/potential better times for our sceptred isle.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Funnily enough I had a Xmas phone call from an old mate of mine who managed to slag off Corbyn as a Marxist cunt but then said he would have been better off if Labour had won. His main thing was that he agreed with most of Labours economic stuff ( except the broad band promise) but was against Communism . I’ve had similar conversations with Portuguese friends who vote Left Block but are aghast when I say I quite like the Portuguese Communist Party . Perhaps there’s a thing about Communism with all the baggage of Russia etc being seen as an outside threat but basic economic equality policies seen as a step forward ?
Well, whoever gets into power, the outcome is likely to be much the same. If Labour had won the election international capitalism would have had no tolerance for any 'socialist' programmes and Corbyn and co would have been forced to drop them and implement harsh austerity, probably with a deal with the IMF.
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