The 2019 General Election

[DexterTCN]

Didn't it get pounded in scotland too

Nope...stronger than ever up here. Half of labour's promises last week were knicked from ones already in place up here.

 

[Proper Tidy]

They proper tartan pilled you didn't they

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Well I enjoyed AnandLeo's post anyway

moving on,

 

[LDC]

I've got so many people on ignore half these threads make no sense any more.

 

[two sheds]

Who said that???

 

[Ax^]

So it begins, one born every minute

it begin it began when they removed workers fucking right from exit bill

they will eventually get around to workers rights



snide horrible fuckers who know whats coming

 

[prunus]

I've got so many people on ignore half these threads make no sense any more.

Doesn’t require anyone on ignore for that to be the case...

 

[kenny g]

We need to bring back national service, arm the youth and develop a ten year plan. As well as having a female northern voice to lead us because so many people have shown their allegiance by voting for a male southern Etonian.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Ha, I see the Independent Group has disbanded. Which smacks more than a little of 'you can't fire me, I quit!' type petulence in the circumstances.

 

[DexterTCN]

They proper tartan pilled you didn't they

Here you go

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!

Hope that's tartan enough for you, arsehole.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Twll din

 

[SpineyNorman]

Pogue mahone

 

[Proper Tidy]

Malaka

 

[ska invita]

Two maps on the London vote
Distribution of ethnic groups in Greater London according to the 2011 census. THis map shows "White-British"
Ethnic groups in London - Wikipedia

London election map 2019

 

[ska invita]

Two maps on the London vote
Distribution of ethnic groups in Greater London according to the 2011 census. THis map shows "White-British"
Ethnic groups in London - Wikipedia

London election map 2019

I grew up in several places but teenage years were spent in the Orpington ward, and now live in neighbouring Beckenham ward, after 20 years in Lewisham (south east corner of the map). Those maps are no surprise to me. Those Kent border seats are solid Tory seats with a solid working class tory vote component wihtin them. Farage lives in that Orpington ward btw.

Challening the culture of WC-Toryism in particular is something Ive thought about since being a teenager - having been on the sharp end of some of that growing up - cant say Im much close to an answer to it. I loved it when the rave scene came along as it really did move the compass on values somewhat, for a time at least. Really hard to imagine that changing again for the forseeable.

 

[NoXion]

I've got so many people on ignore half these threads make no sense any more.

That's one of the reasons I don't bother using it. Also I have enough echo chambers in my life thanks to Facebook and Twitter.

 

[ska invita]

Posting this from carrying on from the Inside Against and Beyond the LP thread as its a bit of a derail....

Familiar with everything covered there but the bit about anti-semitism was new to me - particularly the bit they lifted off Twitter and expanded on, about the interaction of claims of anti-semitism and islamaphobia/nativism

Luke Pagarani, put it on a perspicacious and distressing Twitter thread:
The real charge against Corbyn is that he fundamentally believes that British/white lives are of equal value with the lives of others. Our opponents wouldn’t put it so bluntly but that is what it has always been about. That prioritisation of British lives must always be assumed. … It is impossible to defend Corbyn against this unspoken charge because it is clearly true. … I think this is also how the antisemitism scandal had such a big effect on people who don’t really care about antisemitism itself. Leaving aside all the people who do care about antisemitism for its own sake for a lot of people Corbyn’s association with antisemitism seems to represent his association with Islam, where Islam in turn comes to stand for the undifferentiated mass of humanity making a claim for equal eminence.

Right on cue Luke has a piece here published today here:
Labour failed to engage older voters – and after 100 hours canvassing, I know why | Luke Pagarani

interesting bits, including
"The good news is that people are not crying out for more racism or war. Immigration itself didn’t come up once in all my conversations, and indeed polls show declining hostility to it. Corbyn’s opposition to military adventurism is popular, although his pacifist principles are not.

Pandering to so-called legitimate concerns will fail, as it always does for Labour, but so will labelling large chunks of the electorate racist. Despite ethical injunctions to “call out” prejudice, there are no electoral prizes to be won from naming racism as such, except in the most egregious cases. We need to reduce the salience of nativist and nationalist identity. Let’s start by abstaining from the self-indulgence of “gammon” jokes and other temptations to sharpen cultural and intergenerational divides."

 

[Pickman's model]

Two maps on the London vote
Distribution of ethnic groups in Greater London according to the 2011 census. THis map shows "White-British"
Ethnic groups in London - Wikipedia

London election map 2019

I'd be more interested to see the 2021 census ethnicity map, as 2011 is now a long time ago. I'd also like to see a map of the size of majorities, as fptp rather a blunt instrument and for all I know half the majorities could be easily overturned

 

[Marty1]

Somebody has made a complaint against Jess Phillips.

MP faces 'cheating' complaint for handing out foodbank vouchers on polling day

 

[rekil]

What kind of man spends half his life posting reams and reams of text nobody will read on a website where everyone hates him and thinks he's a thick cunt?

A fucking weirdo. Probably abuses animals when he's not boring the good people of urban.

Is he this twat?

 

[Libertad]

In passing I miss cesare.

 

[maomao]

Is he this twat?

Derf lived in Indonesia or somewhere didn't he? I know that was ten years ago and people move but from tropical paradise to Amazon delivery driver really?

 

[fishfinger]

Derf lived in Indonesia or somewhere didn't he? I know that was ten years ago and people move but from tropical paradise to Amazon delivery driver really?

I think he means Trooomp, not Marty1.

 

[rekil]

I think he means Trooomp, not Marty1.

Yeah. Tromp signed off as derf. Both nuisance cunts just to be clear.

 

[maomao]

Yeah. Tromp signed off as derf. Both nuisance cunts just to be clear.

Oh that's possible. Funny posting hours and total arsehole. Definitely a pattern.

ETA: Have now seen his thread.

 

[treelover]

Lots of the language, memes, bile against Corbyn, Abbot, seems to replicate what is posted on Guido Fawkes/Order Order, sometimes word for word.How influential are they, pages, hits, etc.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Cheeky motherfuckers.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

We need to reduce the salience of nativist and nationalist identity. Let’s start by abstaining from the self-indulgence of “gammon” jokes and other temptations to sharpen cultural and intergenerational divides."

I agree with this last sentence, but it's going to take more than stopping gammon jokes to reduce the salience of nativist and nationalist identity - after all, the gammon stuff was a reaction to it, rather than a cause of it. It seems very easy to say 'reduce the salience of nativist and nationalist identity', but where we are right now, it seems anything but an easy thing to achieve.

Sadly, I think it's going to take things going tits up post-brexit, bringing with it increased inequality and increased division, for space for other things to open up. At the moment, it's full steam ahead for nativist and nationalist identity.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I've got so many people on ignore half these threads make no sense any more.

I haven’t got anyone on ignore, and half still don’t make any sense

 

[cupid_stunt]