The 2019 General Election

[treelover]

I'm certain that with Cummings behind him, Johnson will promote community/social enterprises, etc, in fact he will pinch a lot of John Mc's economic ideas.

One of the other issues as i have been reading is for some time, some of the red wall, is not really that constituency any more, Newcastle Under Lyme for example, is now full of retirees, commuters, a few ex mining towns are like that.

 

[treelover]

 

[Wilf]

Take a break, lighthearted moment time: some bloke from Gavin and Stacey calls Laura Kuennsberg a 'plopcarpet'. Actor Mathew Horne apologises for Laura Kuenssberg 'plopcarpet' attack
Though I'm not sure why he apologised.

 

[Kuke]

It's now a personal mission to open a pub called 'The Bell' up there.

You'd like the Prince Albert on Bellenden Road, Peckham.

 

[Don Troooomp]

I'll remind you of this post when Labour's descent into your preferred flavour of woke right wing liberal bullshit has rendered them an irrelevance.

You mean Labour is relevant now?
Bullshit. Labour got absolutely hammered because they put themselves before what people wanted, made themselves look fucking stupid, had high profile fucking idiots leading the campaign, and generally looked inept.
Corbyn came over as a moron, 2 left shoes is the ideal candidate for the press to fuck about with, the policies were tired old extremist crap, and the "errrm" position on Brexit was pure stupidity.

Much as I don't like it, the electorate have soundly voted for Brexit so, as the UK is a democracy, elected politicians must work for the people, not themselves.
Labour came out as Errm or remain, and the electorate punished them for it, this giving Britain a five year bad hair day from a bastard with seriously bad hair.

This election result was the consequence of a set of idiots, led by an idiot, with easy to ridicule idiots as his main team, ignoring the electorate.
There's only one cure - Purge the far left, especially Corbyn, then find new people the press will find it far more difficult to attack.
Before the old racist argument comes out about 2 left shoes, it's shit all to do with her skin colour for most, more because she's fucking stupid.

 

[YouSir]

You mean Labour is relevant now?
Bullshit. Labour got absolutely hammered because they put themselves before what people wanted, made themselves look fucking stupid, had high profile fucking idiots leading the campaign, and generally looked inept.
Corbyn came over as a moron, 2 left shoes is the ideal candidate for the press to fuck about with, the policies were tired old extremist crap, and the "errrm" position on Brexit was pure stupidity.

Much as I don't like it, the electorate have soundly voted for Brexit so, as the UK is a democracy, elected politicians must work for the people, not themselves.
Labour came out as Errm or remain, and the electorate punished them for it, this giving Britain a five year bad hair day from a bastard with seriously bad hair.

This election result was the consequence of a set of idiots, led by an idiot, with easy to ridicule idiots as his main team, ignoring the electorate.
There's only one cure - Purge the far left, especially Corbyn, then find new people the press will find it far more difficult to attack.
Before the old racist argument comes out about 2 left shoes, it's shit all to do with her skin colour for most, more because she's fucking stupid.

What does that mean policy wise? What do you actually advocate for a Labour platform?

 

[Ax^]

trying to mimic the tory party is how i read his post


fuck me if they follow that we are doom

 

[YouSir]

trying to mimic the tory party is how i read his post


fuck me if they follow that we are doom

Always worth asking, one day there might even be an answer.

 

[Don Troooomp]

trying to mimic the tory party is how i read his post

Then go back to school to brush up on your reading skills. I want to see mild socialist policies, workable ones delivered by people the press don't find quite so easy to ridicule.
I ask you this - Is it better to have mild socialism that can look after social services and the other more important parts of life than ultra left policies no fucker wants and tory governments?

That's your choice.

 

[YouSir]

Then go back to school to brush up on your reading skills. I want to see mild socialist policies, workable ones delivered by people the press don't find quite so easy to ridicule.
I ask you this - Is it better to have mild socialism that can look after social services and the other more important parts of life than ultra left policies no fucker wants and tory governments?

That's your choice.

What policies?

 

[Ax^]

Then go back to school to brush up on your reading skills. I want to see mild socialist policies, workable ones delivered by people the press don't find quite so easy to ridicule.
I ask you this - Is it better to have mild socialism that can look after social services and the other more important parts of life than ultra left policies no fucker wants and tory governments?

That's your choice.

Ultra left policies?

 

[Don Troooomp]

Ultra left policies?

Nationalisation to start with. It fails every time and the press absolutely hammer anyone that puts it forward, that meaning unelectable.
Can you tell me of a time when a more left leaning Labour government managed to win two terms in office and completed both of them?

 

[YouSir]

Nationalisation to start with. It fails every time and the press absolutely hammer anyone that puts it forward, that meaning unelectable.
Can you tell me of a time when a more left leaning Labour government managed to win two terms in office and completed both of them?

What policies do you want Labour to have?

 

[Don Troooomp]

What policies do you want Labour to have?

I listed a few ideas before - look up my posting history

 

[Ax^]

Nationalisation to start with. It fails every time and the press absolutely hammer anyone that puts it forward, that meaning unelectable.
Can you tell me of a time when a more left leaning Labour government managed to win two terms in office and completed both of them?

seeming as i've never suggest nationalisation of the energy and rail service

all i will remark is both sectors are still costing the public purse millions and more each year even after privatisation

also what policies

 

[Don Troooomp]

However, all policies must be electable ones, not pie in the sky loads of old bollocks that have been tried and failed before.
I see nobody answered by question about successful Labour governments - Apart from Blair, a nasty little fucker, Labour have never managed more than 5 years in office, and have always fucked up, the 1974 to 77 mess probably contending for the worst 'in power' fuck up in Labour's political history, but Foot and Corbyn easily being the worst two silly fucker leaders of any party, in any country, in all history - that including Trump who, much as he's an utter dog turd of a cunt, at least does well for his own people and the US ultra right. (I'll be a pleasurable day when he finally gets fucked over and dumped into prison)
It's time for some common sense so Labour can get into number 10 and stay there.

 

[Don Troooomp]

also what policies

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Labour has pledged to abolish all independent schools in the UK if it wins the next general election, following a motion passed by delegates at its annual conference on Sunday. The opposition party has resolved to include a commitment in its next election manifesto to “integrate all private schools into the state sector”. This would be achieved by withdrawing charitable status, tax exemptions — including business rates — and all other public subsidies from private institutions. A future Labour government would seek to implement the policy by initially ensuring that the proportion of students admitted to universities from private schools did not exceed their share of the overall school population, which currently stands at 7 per cent.

Idiocy

 

[editor]

A friend comments:

To put it bluntly, it seems that, the more older people a society has, the more right-wing and reactionary it becomes. Here, by age group, is why Boris Johnson is now free to see how much he, via Dominic Cummings, can become a tech-savvy modern version of that chilling old bogeyman, the dictator, while pretending that he's just fulfilling his promise to 'Get Brexit Done.'

 

[Wilf]

Very similar gradients to 2017 iirc. So it was all about a combination of the number of registered voters in each age group along with respective turnout figures. A side issue but the libdem consistent score across the age groups is interesting. The Lab and Con figures were party (but not entirely) about the attitudes towards brexit in the different age groups. But the Libs, who had a very clear anti-brexit stance don't seem to have been affected by that dynamic.

 

[Don Troooomp]

Let's run through a few points.

NHS - Good stuff, but must be tempered with efficiency. That doesn't mean Tory style business managers, it means stopping waste - all waste

Hold a second referendum on Brexit - Highly unpopular, as we found out

Minimum wage - Nice but it's a vote grabber the press killed so ended up as a vote loser. It just copied a tory vote winner policy, and Labour looked stupid

National care - Too expensive and already rejected as such in the past. That was always going to get hammered and, just to really fuck it up, most people had no clue what the fuck it was so it meant nothing

Zero carbon - Good news but a slow, careful approach is needed with line spun about being business friendly and saving money, not just climate change. The climate crisis has to be sorted out, but most people just don't see it so make it cheap to run eco-friendly cars and so on. People understand low bills a lot better than they do carbon emmitions.

Nationalisation - Expensive idiocy - dump that moronic idea forever.

Universal credit - Yes, it's a bit crap but you have to work out how to replace it before you can say you'll replace it. That was a killer the tories loved.

Conference's private schools stuff was always going to mean attacks on the whole party, more so when you look at how many Labour parliamentarians wither went to private schools or send their kids there. Yes, improve state schools, but attacking private education is a guaranteed fuck up policy.

Free buses - Not that free as tax pays for them, so always an invitation for attacks there was no defence against.

EU nationals right to remain - Blanket policies like that are stupid because they include all the ones the press love to attack Labour with. There goes a policy because 'Polish rapists' will get cited as examples. The remain policy is fine, but there had to be exceptions for criminals and other undesirables in order to avoid obvious tory attacks.

Council home - Good, but make sure they match the people the things are intended for. If we're talking pensioners, easy access and small to keep bills down work better than a 3 bed with an upstairs.

At the end of the day,the whole thing was a silly bit of toilet paper that had too little thought, no idea what was actually needed, and went against the stated aims of the electorate. It was a left wing political document designed for a minority left wing with no fucking clue their ideals are seriously unpopular.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Ignore this loser prick troll Don Trooomp. It wouldn’t be worth pissing on him if he were on fire so it’s also obviously not worth engaging in discourse with him. He is a worthless human.

 

[maomao]

Let's run through a few points.

Let's not eh. No-one actually reads all your posts you blathering imbecile.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Then go back to school to brush up on your reading skills. I want to see mild socialist policies, workable ones delivered by people the press don't find quite so easy to ridicule.
I ask you this - Is it better to have mild socialism that can look after social services and the other more important parts of life than ultra left policies no fucker wants and tory governments?

That's your choice.

What are these mild socialist policies. You did have a bit of a go about housing, but since then nothing. Come on let's have some actual content.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Don Troooomp]

Ignore this loser prick

Given the loser here is the Labour party, it seems reasonable to consider a whole new approach.
If wanting to get Labour into government is what you see as trolling, you're a sad fucker.

 

[bimble]

Have you ever thought there might be more fun ways to explore your masochistic side Don Troooomp ?

 

[SpineyNorman]

What kind of man spends half his life posting reams and reams of text nobody will read on a website where everyone hates him and thinks he's a thick cunt?

A fucking weirdo. Probably abuses animals when he's not boring the good people of urban.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just our Laurie being herself, old chap.

Red Laurie yellow laurie

 

[Pickman's model]

What policies?

He's light and bitter

 

[Steel Icarus]

Even while eating toast, annoying the dogs and idly wondering if the snot in my nose is going to work its way to my chest in time for Christmas I can see ol' Don's talking with his dick out again - nationalisation of transport and utilities is a very popular idea, and the minimum wage was a key campaign policy of Labour's in 1997, implemented the following year. Tit

 

[chilango]

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Idiocy

Edward Heath demanded their abolition writing in 1940. When it was debated in the Commons in the same year a Liberal MP was one of the loudest voices calling for public schools to be taken over by the State sector.

In 1964 Labour won an election with a manifesto which included "integrating public schools into the state system".

Well known Labour hard-lefter Shirley Williams is on record as wanting an end to them.

Within the Conservative Party both Gove and Hancock have sparked rows by trying to move against private schools.

You may want to read more on the subject before making such sweeping assumptions.