moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Cheers. Was trying to find something with gains and losses. Bbc only gave the net change. Also theirs was based on change from last election.
The 2019 General Election
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Cheers. Was trying to find something with gains and losses. Bbc only gave the net change. Also theirs was based on change from last election.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I'm a fan in different circumstances -- independent MPs elected in multiple-member constituencies, as used to be the case in Britain -- but with the Tories' purge of the few moderates they had left, I've given up any hope of England getting back to that.
I couldn't support the closed-list systems seen on the Continent, which gift political parties central control over a procession of placemen, making legislatures powerless talking shops, but Ireland's STV system is a reasonable compromise between proportionality and maintaining strong constituency links.
MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
It has started already. That fucking awful woman is already stirring it up.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't fucking help her mate!
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Christ 
Yes, I know she's a professional cunt and just doing it to keep herself in the spotlight. But she's speaking for a lot of people, isn't she?
Yes, I know she's a professional cunt and just doing it to keep herself in the spotlight. But she's speaking for a lot of people, isn't she?
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
What a total scumbag.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Loathe though i am to talk about this, the idea that a) either TR or KH would be allowed in the tory party is nonsense and b) the claim that the tory party have moved into a hard white nationalist position is just not correct - their non-membership being one example of this.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Last result in - St Ives, CON majority was just 78 over the LDs, CON hold with massive increase in maj.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
That shows the overall vote share, that does not prove that Lab voters are going to non-voters and not going to Con/BP
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Eh? Seriously, I don't understand. And I'm not even sure how relevant it is whether TR or KH would be 'allowed' into the tory party - isn't it enough that they sit there on twitter and twit their tory bile?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
This. Johnson is of course revolting but this idea going round that he and/or the CP is hard right is not based on anything factual.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
What I said above. No one is saying TR and KH are anything but scum. BA is saying, and I've agreeing with him, that the Tory party is not a hard right party, that Johnson is not hard right.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They spout white nationalist bile and pretend that it's the tory party doing so. It's not. And it's not them saying what the tory party leadership really thinks undercover either. And they do this to get attention, like we're giving them now.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
OK, if you say so.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
It’s a national populist government surely?
elbows
Well-Known Member
And if the first hours commentary after the exit poll were anything to go by, we will be hearing a lot more parping about 'one nation' tory stuff now. Blended with the 'what positions will Johnson actually take now that he doesnt need certain partners/wings of the party' stuff.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Sorry, I was reading it as almost as if you were somehow excusing tory party
, which obvs you're not, so was confused. /Not confused.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Much more important issues are afoot in California.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
'treat the UK as if it's part of their own country for too long'
Boris Johnson four days ago, wooing the racist vote.
That is white nationalist bile, or as near as damn it.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
What does that even mean?
And while his victory may have encouraged loads of racists to drop the mask and abuse people they don't like of (soon, one of them is going to try it on the wrong person), there's nothing at all to stop people like that being mainstream Conservatives instead of coloured shirt wearers.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Exactly, just like the infamous Breaking Point poster, and the Turkey Facebook ads. Since Johnson believes in nothing beside his own success, I doubt he'd take the effort to form some white supremacist worldview, but so what if he doesn't sit around fantasizing about an ethno-state? As evidenced by decades of saloon-bar columns, he's more than happy to wallow in that swamp, and there's self-appointed proxies to pick up where he's left off.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
If he does fantasize like that, it's about as deep as the idiot kids who post Stalin memes about the place. But he has the capacity to do more serious harm.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep, and when I say 'wooing the racist vote', it's actually worse than that. To the extent that he actually influences people, he is legitimising and strengthening racist sentiment, fertilising the ground in which it can grow, and so contributing towards new racist votes.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Of course, once you take out the spatial variation in population density determined constituency size, things (on an equalised scale) look much 'brighter'..
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Well...
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