The 2019 General Election

[butchersapron]

Corbyn has the two highest labour votes since 87 now.

edit: disregard, read wrong figures

 

[Poi E]

Top four house builders in England have made the biggest gains on the FTSE at the moment. Fire sale of whatever public land and commons are left eh. Watch those planning laws crash outside of posh spots.

 

[existentialist]

This is reassuring.

Not that reassuring - somehow, all the botching up still seems to end up landing in the laps of the poorest and most vulnerable

 

[Azrael]

I'm not sure he has. Johnston has "cynical opportunist" written through him like a stick of rock, and I think it's suited his purposes, for now, to get behind the whole Brexit thing. I have no doubt that, just as it starts to get sticky - and it will - he'll find a convenient fridge to jump into, or the board of a merchant bank to join, do a Cameron, and fuck off out of it to leave someone else to pick up the mess.

The biggest tragedy of this is not that the Conservatives won, but that a government was elected on the basis of lies and unfulfillable promises...and a government from a party with a solid track record of botching up pretty much everything they've touched.

It's impossible to "respect" the 2016 vote for the simple reason that the model of Brexit promised is moonshine. That's why, despite wanting Britain to secede from the E.U. long before "Brexit" was a word, I voted to remain, choosing to sacrifice a bogus independence in the present to have a chance of the real thing in the future. When the hard trade-offs between national autonomy and economic well-being become impossible to hide, it'll discredit the idea of secession for decades, if not permanently.

Johnson's a binary choice ahead of him: rip the U.K. out the European economic zone, devastating its economy before tearing the union like frayed cloth; or adopting the fax democracy of the EFTA countries. Either option's a betrayal of the referendum promises. He's merely postponed the backlash.

 

[Poi E]

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[Smokeandsteam]

On this point, I agree 100%, but we need to find new forms relevant to the whole working class as it actually exists now, rather than dismissing the views of those you don't consider PFWC

I don't dismiss any working class people.

what is PFWC?

 

[treelover]

Ch4 news interviewing people who had voted labour for many many years, now voting tory, and now happy with the landslide.

yes, i know, vox pops.

 

[BristolEcho]

Entered in error.

 

[brogdale]

a few random reactions to the Guardian's final results table:

1 : wtf...some interesting 'churn' going on
2 : lol
3 : good
4 : sorry if this sounds regionalist/offensive...but why the fuck did we have to listen to this guy so much in the TV debates if their total vote haul = 1/3 of Croydon's population?
5 : ha fucking ha

feel free to add....

 

[treelover]

I posted about how we will now suffer on my support group page

this woman from rotherham posted this.

'yeah it is if u see the state of sum areas in rotherham u would
understand why I want brexit to stop all the scum coming to my town
and making it a shit hole'


This is what we were up against in parts of the red wall.

 

[JimW]

Corbyn has the two highest labour votes since 87 now.

Think Drew lost with more than he won with in 2005 in Stroud.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Top four house builders in England have made the biggest gains on the FTSE at the moment. Fire sale of whatever public land and commons are left eh. Watch those planning laws crash outside of posh spots.

Yep. What Johnson managed to do with the limited powers of London mayor should be a warning about what will come in the next five years now that he has considerably more power.

 

[maomao]

Corbyn has the two highest labour votes since 87 now.

87 or 97?

 

[butchersapron]

87 or 97?

Oh ffs i looked at the tory numbers for 97. That's twice now i have misread that site.

 

[Cid]

a few random reactions to the Guardian's final results table:

1 : wtf...some interesting 'churn' going on
2 : lol
3 : good
4 : sorry if this sounds regionalist/offensive...but why the fuck did we have to listen to this guy so much in the TV debates if their total vote haul = 1/3 of Croydon's population?
5 : ha fucking ha

feel free to add....


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In fairness to your regional bias, that’s also less than 5% of the Welsh population I think.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Corbyn has the two highest labour votes since 87 now.

Is this in pure numbers or %?

Edit ah should have read whole thread

 

[Sprocket.]

I posted about how we will now suffer on my support group page

this woman from rotherham posted this.

'yeah it is if u see the state of sum areas in rotherham u would
understand why I want brexit to stop all the scum coming to my town
and making it a shit hole'


This is what we were up against in parts of the red wall.

It’s Rovrum.
Though there is a lot of hate toward the Labour controlled council who seemed complacent and unrepentant over the child abuse.

 

[butchersapron]

Is this in pure numbers or %?

Popular vote, but i got it wrong anyway by looking at tory numbers for labour in a couple of elections, so disregard.

 

[Cid]

Just for the hell of it I did the percentages of total uk population (not of electorate) at the time who voted labour:

2019 - 15.26%
2017 - 19.53%
2015 - 14.38%
2010 - 13.71%
2005 - 15.83%
2001 - 18.14%
1997 - 23.19%

 

[Steel Icarus]

So Corbyn did better than Brown and Milliband, and in 2017 better than anyone bar Blair's first win

 

[Steel Icarus]

But what we need is more sensible centrists like Brown and Milliband

 

[Cid]

I may be missing something, like maths ability, but on the face of it, as a simple proportion of total population, yes.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I may be missing something, like maths ability, but on the face of it, as a simple proportion of total population, yes.

And voting eligibility, but you know. I'm taking every crumb today

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Take a look at the number of votes per seat column

(via the Electoral Reform Society)

Cor, bet the yellow Tory scummers wish they had proportional representation

 

[billy_bob]

Following the defeat of Dennis Skinner, my MP, Peter Bottomley, becomes 'Father of the House of Commons'.

I didn't know he wasn't dead - although perhaps that doesn't stop you being a tory MP. He always had those cold, dead eyes anyway - like a concentration camp guard.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I didn't know he wasn't dead - although perhaps that doesn't stop you being a tory MP. He always had those cold, dead eyes anyway - like a concentration camp guard.

TBF, if they put up a dead dog around here, it would win.

 

[billy_bob]

Just for the hell of it I did the percentages of total uk population (not of electorate) at the time who voted labour:

2019 - 15.26%
2017 - 19.53%
2015 - 14.38%
2010 - 13.71%
2005 - 15.83%
2001 - 18.14%
1997 - 23.19%

Hard to see what if anything this tells us, given constituency-based FPTP.

 

[Argonia]

I fucking hate FPTP, it's utterly perverse.

 

[Cid]

Hard to see what if anything this tells us, given constituency-based FPTP.

It’s essentially the same figure as number of people voting for a party, but in terms relative to population change rather than an absolute figure. Limited use, but puts things into perspective a bit.

 

[Cid]

It would probably be more useful as a % of people eligible to vote in a given year, but couldn’t be arsed finding that. Though suppose it would have been easy to work out from turnout. Oh well. Always good to practice maths.