The 2019 General Election

[not-bono-ever]

The TR joining the tories has traction across the twitter sphere apparently. It is obviously shite

 

[Azrael]

Yep, and when I say 'wooing the racist vote', it's actually worse than that. To the extent that he actually influences people, he is legitimising and strengthening racist sentiment, fertilising the ground in which it can grow, and so contributing towards new racist votes.

And is of course in with Steve Bannon, the guy who bragged that he ran the platform of the alt-right, says that "racist" should be worn as a badge of pride, and never shuts up about the "party of Davos." (Bannon, naturally, insists that he's free of racial bigotry and has been misunderstood.) Whatever their personal views, this transatlantic sewer is plumbed in to Johnson and the rest of the Vote Leave 2.0 mob.

 

[brogdale]

Well...

ish

 

[Cid]

Of course, once you take out the spatial variation in population density determined constituency size, things (on an equalised scale) look much 'brighter'..

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I’m generally pretty bad at art, but quite chuffed with my quick caricature:




Edited for a more Britannia feel

 

[brogdale]

I’m generally pretty bad at art, but quite chuffed with my quick caricature:


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E Anglia as the ample arse of the UK.

 

[JimW]

E Anglia as the ample arse of the UK.

Didn't Prince Charles go to Amplearse then send his sons there?

 

[treelover]

You live in a different world to me. I’ve been warning people for 3 years that people were raging about this.

The reason why the people we are talking about voted to leave wasn’t primarily about the EU. The reason why they are furious about the frustration of the vote wasn’t primarily about the EU either.

Class inequality is complicated. Political alienation is corrosive and devastating. Being pushed to the periphery and demonised and sneered at hurts and provokes anger.

That after the GE sections of the left still don’t get or understand these points makes one thing clear. They are the problem

Historically successful movements were interconnected with a non state network of working class institutions including trade unions, cooperatives, newspapers, mutual aid groups, art scenes etc.

I think its time to back to basics, mutual aid, we do have acorn, here with have Foodhall, foodbanks,though obviously issues with endorsing those, today one of my carers has the baillifs around, for nin payment of traffic fine, it was two days late, i am going bankrupt paying 50% of my care costs back to the council, its a labour council. To many they are seen as the enemy, but as i say adfin, where are the allies of people like my carer, years ago, you could have rang round and a crowd would support her.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Saw my first celebrating racist on the tube earlier this afternoon, on the Central Line going west. Got on with a little union jack on a stick and started saying "excuse me sir, are you offended by the flag? Madam, are you offended by the flag of our country? I'm just doing an experiment to see if anyone is offended by our country's flag." Occasionally he would swear to himself as well.

Of course everyone stared very hard at their phones and rolled their eyes when he wasn't looking. (He was at the other end of the row of seats so didn't get near me thankfully.) He did quiet down after a bit of being ignored, but at Shepherd's Bush, when the announcement about "change her for..." came on, he muttered audibly "change here if you want to get stabbed" - which I'm sure of course is a reference to the general issue of knife crime in the capital and nothing at all to do with the multicultural makeup of the area.

I expect there will be a bunch out around Whitehall, particularly as some people are talking about doing an anti-Tory protest in Parliament Square.

 

[ska invita]

The trouble is that the 'something positive' evidently wasn't positive in the eyes of too many people, particularly in the places where safe Labour seats were lost. That's because, the disastrous shift in the party on Brexit and some of the positive economic stuff aside, it reflected the preoccupations of today's radical left, which don't really have to be listed, as they have been endlessly debated on here. In particular, the obsession with 'identity' and lifestyle politics, reflecting the mentality of the largely middle class professional makeup of today's left, is evidently alienating for too many of the 'left behind,' as is the obsession with 'minorities' (which mirrors that of the right.)

The Labour Manifesto was all about material conditions - what has it got to do with Identity?

If anything has to do with Identity in this election its the Tory campaign in which national identity played a massive part

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Casually asked my son what we should do about Boris on the way home from school, he replies
“We could just kill him?”


Hadn’t even gotten to that part of the indoctrination yet

 

[Pickman's model]

Saw my first celebrating racist on the tube earlier this afternoon, on the Central Line going west. Got on with a little union jack on a stick and started saying "excuse me sir, are you offended by the flag? Madam, are you offended by the flag of our country? I'm just doing an experiment to see if anyone is offended by our country's flag." Occasionally he would swear to himself as well.

Of course everyone stared very hard at their phones and rolled their eyes when he wasn't looking. (He was at the other end of the row of seats so didn't get near me thankfully.) He did quiet down after a bit of being ignored, but at Shepherd's Bush, when the announcement about "change her for..." came on, he muttered audibly "change here if you want to get stabbed" - which I'm sure of course is a reference to the general issue of knife crime in the capital and nothing at all to do with the multicultural makeup of the area.

I expect there will be a bunch out around Whitehall, particularly as some people are talking about doing an anti-Tory protest in Parliament Square.

I'd have glanced at it and told him he had it the wrong way up, if he'd approached me

 

[treelover]

Will be a huge battle in labour which the left is best placed to win imo, they control labour now. It won't just drift away into a soft left nothingness, will be blood and guts first. Honestly don't know what labour party a year away will look like.

where are these working class fighters ready to take to battle on issues that the WC need support on, i haven't encountered them in my CLP, every month there have been motions on migration, etc, though.

 

[treelover]

Could be an opportunity to link in with disability/social care/welfare issues treelover ?

i am in no position to do much, exhausted after the monstrosity that is the PIP form, i am aware there is already a social care campaign based around the health unions.

 

[Marty1]

This seems appropriate.

5 Ways To Look After Yourself If You're Totally Exhausted By Politics — HuffPost UK

 

[treelover]

Helping Hands in Edingburgh is a good example of independent mutual aid

Acorn, not many doing this, risking physical violence, imagine if they were in say denaby main

 

[Sprocket.]

Acorn, not many doing this, risking physical violence, imagine if they were in say denaby main

Why pick on Denaby?
Denaby has an elderly population that are warm hearted, polite and hospitable. It’s a small ex pit village.
An old fashioned community. One that has been ignored by DMBC since the 1970s. They have a right to protest and rebel in the only legal way open to them by voting.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Well, it is indeed pleasing to see a Conservative government with a good solid majority, albeit with more than a bit of sadness because of who the PM is.

I have been reading this thread since about 10 last night, until I went to bed at 7 this morning.

You lot really don't get it, do you? I appreciate that there are a lot of youngsters on the board, but the older people should have got it. Britain does not do extremist politics. Everyone I spoke to, of all political views, were very worried about the terminal economic damage that the lunatic duo would have done to the country. If Labour wants to have a hope of ever returning to government they must drop Corbyn, McDonnell and most urgently Lansman. The Labour Party has been hijacked by the modern iteration of Militant Tendency, and until they return to centre left have no hope whatsoever of becoming the government.

Labour has two choices, return to sanity, or, remain in opposition for ever.

 

[Sprocket.]

Good evening Sas!

 

[JimW]

They're still to right of ted heath, you loon.

 

[ignatious]

Everyone I spoke to, of all political views, were very worried about the terminal economic damage that the lunatic duo would have done to the country.

Bollocks.

 

[Quote]

Extremism only seems to go one way. The right can go further and further each time, but try and tax a billionaire or fund a library and it’s mayhem.

 

[Proper Tidy]

where are these working class fighters ready to take to battle on issues that the WC need support on, i haven't encountered them in my CLP, every month there have been motions on migration, etc, though.

I dunno about working class fighters, my point was that the corbyn supporting left is in the ascendancy and will imo maintain that position and determine the next leader

 

[Proper Tidy]

For some reason I have an image of some ruddy cheeked bloke sat in his greenhouse in his pants with some tatty old blazer on, a solitary medal reflecting the last beam of winter sun, furiously typing on a laptop at 3 words per minute

Edit in reference to the cranky old colonel up thread btw

 

[treelover]

Why pick on Denaby?
Denaby has an elderly population that are warm hearted, polite and hospitable. It’s a small ex pit village.
An old fashioned community. One that has been ignored by DMBC since the 1970s. They have a right to protest and rebel in the only legal way open to them by voting.

I'm not picking on them, i am just sugegsting new forms(or old) of solidarity

none of this is academic for people like me, we are shafted even more.

 

[treelover]

SWP, usual suspects, calling 'Johnson not our PM protest', here, they will just look bad losers, more productive would be to help Acorn with their anti-evictions, etc.

 

[rekil]

For some reason I have an image of some ruddy cheeked bloke sat in his greenhouse in his pants with some tatty old blazer on, a solitary medal reflecting the last beam of winter sun, furiously typing on a laptop at 3 words per minute

Googling pictures of mangled children. I haven't received any pms with anti-irish invective for a while tbf.

 

[butchersapron]

and most urgently Lansman.

Beyond wtf

Another one who can't tell the diff between trots and stalinists. This is you too now sleater. Did you ever think that would happen?

 

[Streathamite]

Well, it is indeed pleasing to see a Conservative government with a good solid majority, albeit with more than a bit of sadness because of who the PM is.

I have been reading this thread since about 10 last night, until I went to bed at 7 this morning.

You lot really don't get it, do you? I appreciate that there are a lot of youngsters on the board, but the older people should have got it. Britain does not do extremist politics. Everyone I spoke to, of all political views, were very worried about the terminal economic damage that the lunatic duo would have done to the country. If Labour wants to have a hope of ever returning to government they must drop Corbyn, McDonnell and most urgently Lansman. The Labour Party has been hijacked by the modern iteration of Militant Tendency, and until they return to centre left have no hope whatsoever of becoming the government.

Labour has two choices, return to sanity, or, remain in opposition for ever.

Bullshit,on 2 fronts
1) Labour's manifesto was NOT 'extremist' - it simply looks that way because 40 years of neoliberal orthodoxy, followed by the frightening populist right surge of recent years has pulled us so far to the right. In fact, labour's platform was classic democratic socialism, and wouldn't have looked that out of palceon a scandi style soc dem party's literature.
2) if anybody is extremist.It's the current Tory leadership group. They are either natural hard-right extremists, or there are no depths they will not stoop to, in terms of playing to the far right gallery to cynically hoover up votes.

 

[Brainaddict]

I wish people in fucked-over job-free constituencies would stop saying 'it can't get any worse' as a reason for voting Brexit or Tory. Because they are so wrong, it can get so much worse, and I don't want them to learn it the hard way. Why do people think it can't get worse? Do they think that literally? If not, what do they actually mean?

 

[butchersapron]

I wish people in fucked-over job-free constituencies would stop saying 'it can't get any worse' as a reason for voting Brexit or Tory. Because they are so wrong, it can get so much worse, and I don't want them to learn it the hard way. Why do people think it can't get worse? Do they think that literally? If not, what do they actually mean?

You are going to teach them how to feel about their own situation? Why are you putting the two votes on the same level. Is none of this going in? That's what you asked earlier right?