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The 2019 General Election

Brainaddict said:
I wish people in fucked-over job-free constituencies would stop saying 'it can't get any worse' as a reason for voting Brexit or Tory. Because they are so wrong, it can get so much worse, and I don't want them to learn it the hard way. Why do people think it can't get worse? Do they think that literally? If not, what do they actually mean?
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What should they be saying? This is about the right level of shitness i and my family deserve? I don't think you'll ever understand the levels of desperation needed to try and mutiny or break out this way.
 
Just feel a bit sad really, it's not the big defeat tbh, it's what seats have gone blue. Feels a bit like all those years built up of struggle and fight just washed away, bit dramatic maybe but there we are. Don't understand the mentality of blaming the voters in those constituencies, the anger, it's just sad, even after this no fucker is listening
 
butchersapron said:
What should they be saying? This is about the right level of shitness i and my family deserve? I don't think you'll ever understand the levels of desperation needed to try and mutiny or break out this way.
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Maybe you are right it is a feeling, I'm not trying to tell people how to feel, but as a statement of fact I think it is about to produce brutal lessons (and not from me). I'm just disturbed by it (eta - by the consequences of it not being right that is), not trying to demonstrate my superior knowledge.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Saw my first celebrating racist on the tube earlier this afternoon, on the Central Line going west. Got on with a little union jack on a stick and started saying "excuse me sir, are you offended by the flag? Madam, are you offended by the flag of our country? I'm just doing an experiment to see if anyone is offended by our country's flag." Occasionally he would swear to himself as well.
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Ooooh, but I would so want to have said "No, but I'm offended by you!", and seen how long his, ahahaha, "assertive" posture lasted then. These cunts are going to have to be (ideally non-violently) stopped in their tracks every time they try this shit, because it's only going to get worse otherwise.

FridgeMagnet said:
Of course everyone stared very hard at their phones and rolled their eyes when he wasn't looking. (He was at the other end of the row of seats so didn't get near me thankfully.) He did quiet down after a bit of being ignored, but at Shepherd's Bush, when the announcement about "change her for..." came on, he muttered audibly "change here if you want to get stabbed" - which I'm sure of course is a reference to the general issue of knife crime in the capital and nothing at all to do with the multicultural makeup of the area.

I expect there will be a bunch out around Whitehall, particularly as some people are talking about doing an anti-Tory protest in Parliament Square.
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Good that there was lots of eyerolling going on, though I think it's going to take a lot of rolled eyeballs to nip this trend in the bud... :( :rolleyes: :mad:
 
Sprocket. said:
Possible he will go after unions and strikes like thatcher did.
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There is so little union left, though, that there's a possibility that the whole thing jumps down a level - piss enough people off badly enough, and it doesn't take organised activity to bring them out, they'll do it by themselves. I suspect the Tory party grossly underestimates the pent-up resentment that there is within the population, so they'll blithely jump the shark on some self-serving bit of political onanism, and wonder WTF happened when they suddenly have a general strike on their hands.
 
Working-class voters desert Labour as 'red wall' crumbles

Clearly, working class communities do not represent a monolithic social bloc, and the idea that “working class” is synonymous with “white” is deeply misplaced. But over the last six weeks we repeatedly met voters in the C2, D or E social grades whose distance from Labourbecame less and less surprising.

In Stoke, Smeeth told us, the gravity of Labour’s defeats suggest an existential crisis, something she said she was looking forward to trying to fix. “Unless something significant changes I don’t know what the Labour party is for. We don’t represent the people we were created to represent.”
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The centrists are not exactly saying what they want and what WC voters want though.
 
Back in Blyth, veteran Labour councillors said they had never seen such anger on the doorsteps. Deidre Campbell, the wife of the long-serving who stood down for health reasons at this election, said Labour had been “at war with the people over Brexit”.

“I went to houses where there was poverty but they were going to vote Tory. It was like they were on some kind of drug. I’ve known for a couple of weeks it wasn’t good for Labour,” she said.

'They're getting their just deserts': how traditional voters ditched Labour
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Why didn't the left see this?
 
existentialist said:
Ooooh, but I would so want to have said "No, but I'm offended by you!", and seen how long his, ahahaha, "assertive" posture lasted then. These cunts are going to have to be (ideally non-violently) stopped in their tracks every time they try this shit, because it's only going to get worse otherwise.
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How about "Great work, you've just confirmed what everyone in the real world already knew; no one is offended by it"?
 
existentialist said:
There is so little union left, though, that there's a possibility that the whole thing jumps down a level - piss enough people off badly enough, and it doesn't take organised activity to bring them out, they'll do it by themselves. I suspect the Tory party grossly underestimates the pent-up resentment that there is within the population, so they'll blithely jump the shark on some self-serving bit of political onanism, and wonder WTF happened when they suddenly have a general strike on their hands.
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'Corbyn's revenge'
 
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Brainaddict said:
I wish people in fucked-over job-free constituencies would stop saying 'it can't get any worse' as a reason for voting Brexit or Tory. Because they are so wrong, it can get so much worse, and I don't want them to learn it the hard way. Why do people think it can't get worse? Do they think that literally? If not, what do they actually mean?
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I wonder how long it'd take you to reach their nadir of desperation, I'd go 5 years rather than their 25 or more
 
Plumdaff said:
Lots of people did. If you're asking why didn't Labour see it, some did, but both the PLP and the membership were largely Remainers and the leadership and Momentum very London focused.
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I saw this at the The World Transformed in Liverpool, the first one, it was basically London politics transferred to the North for a weekend.
 
Proper Tidy said:
For some reason I have an image of some ruddy cheeked bloke sat in his greenhouse in his pants with some tatty old blazer on, a solitary medal reflecting the last beam of winter sun, furiously typing on a laptop at 3 words per minute

Edit in reference to the cranky old colonel up thread btw
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