The 2019 General Election

[chilango]

Ah well voting Labour was, erm, fun while it lasted. I guess it'll be back to having noone to vote for from now on.

 

[mauvais]

You won't find a more left person in the HofC than Dennis Skinner but I'll be very surprised if he keeps his seat, I hope he does. Will he lose it because he's too left wing?No he'll lose it mainly because of Labours position on Brexit and secondly because even before that many w/class voters in his and many areas no longer saw Labour as their party. No amount of good but late economic policies , no amount of election time tweets or facebook ads can make up for the fact they've done f all in many of those communities for decades and whether remainers like it or lump it Labour areas areas that voted for leave expected Labour nationally to support the referendum result. As I said its a heady mix but to me thats the biggest innluence and prob the tipping point.

Fair. I agree with you on long term neglect. I don't agree so much on Brexit, which is a Tory grenade put through the window leaving no really good options.

But there will be this whole period now of self-flagellation and recrimination looking at, at most, the last few years if not just the campaign itself, and I think it's going to be really unfair: lots of people worked really hard to offer something positive, and it's not OK to write them off as should-have-done-better. That's a road that takes us to abandonment and inherent centrism.

Edit: I'm not saying you yourself are doing that, just want to be really cautious of blaming 'the left' for failing to handle a really difficult scenario

 

[emanymton]

The result is mainly due to a drop in Labour voters. The Tories didn’t increase their vote share by very much as far as I know. Labour voters did not turn out.

Or voted brexit party.

 

[Plumdaff]

The lost Labour seats largely had lower turnouts, there was a lot of people who stayed at home yesterday.

On the doorstep, invariably when people said they couldn't vote for Corbyn it was about Brexit. Never being hard left or anything else. Brexit. If Labour pick a new leader who wants to keep relitigating that vote it'll be a disaster. It is done. We need to start the fight for the post Brexit settlement, there'll be a lot of disillusionment coming very quickly in 2020.

 

[RD2003]

Edit: posted in error.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

There is still hope.

Mars One

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

We’re done for a generation now. Brexit has exposed such toxic divisions there's no way out. We’ve got another 10 years of Tory rule ahead of us.

 

[Sprocket.]

Just looking at the result for Doncaster Central and it appears to me that if the BP hadn’t stood we too, along with Don Valley could have a Tory MP.
Winterton’s 2017 10,000+ majority cut to 2,278. BP got 6,000.

 

[Sprocket.]

Corbyn Shrugged.

 

[Pickman's model]

I wish Johnson joy of the victory, for it will turn to ashes in his mouth.

 

[The39thStep]

McDonnell provided the Judas kiss. He left Corbyn as the only one sticking to an honouring the result position after being led by Momentum into a people’s vote/remain position.

McDonnell's role was more undermining than Watsons tbh

 

[equationgirl]

The result is mainly due to a drop in Labour voters. The Tories didn’t increase their vote share by very much as far as I know. Labour voters did not turn out.

 

[Rob Ray]

Yeesh, leftie social media replete with "the working classes are all stupid racist scumbags" today. Like guys I know you're disappointed, but blaming working class people for being too thick and mean to agree with you ain't the way.

 

[redsquirrel]

I'm not sure what evidence Winot is basing that on.

As I said for some seats the drop in the Lab vote is so large that it is very hard not to believe that there was a significant amount of Lab->Con/BP transfer.

Which underlines the problem with this "Tory voter" idea - a not insignificant number of Tory voters were one time Labour voters.

 

[emanymton]

We’re done for a generation now. Brexit has exposed such toxic divisions there's no way out. We’ve got another 10 years of Tory rule ahead of us.

I'd like to say it will be only 5. The Tories will fuck a lot of people off and there will not be the same 'brexit factor' in 5 years, it may even be going against the Tories. I would like to say that but even if Labour win in 5 years it is unlikely to be the same Labour party that lost last night it will be one only a tad to the left of the fucking tories, them winning will mean nothing. I kind of hope the tories do win again, so I can laugh at the cunts in Labour who don't understand why they lost.

 

[equationgirl]

One of my colleagues has admitted he's a proud Tory voter and Boris supporter.

I really liked him until he said that.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I'm not sure what evidence Winot is basing that on.

As I said for some seats the drop in the Lab vote is so large that it is very hard not to believe that there was a significant amount of Lab->Con/BP transfer.

Which underlines the problem with this "Tory voter" idea - a not insignificant number of Tory voters were one time Labour voters.

* UKIP got 1.9% in 2017

 

[emanymton]

I'm not sure what evidence Winot is basing that on.

As I said for some seats the drop in the Lab vote is so large that it is very hard not to believe that there was a significant amount of Lab->Con/BP transfer.

Which underlines the problem with this "Tory voter" idea - a not insignificant number of Tory voters were one time Labour voters.

I know it is hard to tell, but is there much indication of Labour to tory movement? The tory vote looks pretty static yo me it looks mainly like Labour to brexit and maybe abstention.

 

[mauvais]

Yeesh, leftie social media replete with "the working classes are all stupid racist scumbags" today. Like guys I know you're disappointed, but blaming working class people for being too thick and mean to agree with you ain't the way.

Yeah. But it also has an elephant in its room too, that doing anything useful with this outlook - hello redsquirrel - seems to have just got even further away. More divisions, more apparent enemies, more disarray, less evidence of any kind of structure to leverage.

 

[Mr Retro]

Nigel Farage on LBC talking about Corbyn's antisemitism. Christ alive.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I know it is hard to tell, but is there much indication of Labour to tory movement? The tory vote looks pretty static yo me it looks mainly like Labour to brexit and maybe abstention.

Judging by the graph above, I would guess at some movement from Lab to Con in the north, and some from Con to Lab/LDs in the south, hence the Con voting share only going up 1.2%.

 

[Celyn]

Where have all these Tory voters come from?

Hell.

 

[emanymton]

Judging by the graph above, I would guess at some movement from Lab to Con in the north, and some from Con to Lab/LDs in the south, hence the Con voting share only going up 1.2%.

I am sure there is some but not sure it is the significant factor in the result.

 

[Yossarian]

We’re done for a generation now. Brexit has exposed such toxic divisions there's no way out. We’ve got another 10 years of Tory rule ahead of us.

Hard to believe this is happening after the Tories had already been in power for 10 years - by the next election, there will be 32-year-olds who have spent their entire adult lives under Tory governments.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

One of my colleagues has admitted he's a proud Tory voter and Boris supporter.

I really liked him until he said that.

Thankfully people generally tend not to talk about politics at work - I don't think I could bear it if people behaved like that.

 

[Sprocket.]

Thankfully people generally tend not to talk about politics at work - I don't think I could bear it if people behaved like that.

I wish I worked in a place like yours. It’s relentless here this morning. Ex-miners offspring bragging about how they are proud to have helped the country by voting Tory.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

I wish I worked in a place like yours. It’s relentless here this morning. Ex-miners offspring bragging about how they are proud to have helped the country by voting Tory.

At least they're outing themselves as cunts.

 

[Sprocket.]

At least they're outing themselves as cunts.

Barnsley.

 

[Plumdaff]

I work in the NHS. I'm not in today but lots of colleagues have been in touch. We feel pretty broken but I suppose at least we're all in despair together.

There's already been talk of when we'll be striking over the US deal.

 

[moochedit]

There is still hope.

Mars One

That's the dutch reality tv lot isn't it? I think they went bust. There is a thread somewhere.