The 2017 General Election campaign

[Cid]

So today:

- May has suggested increased military action in Iraq and Syria but, as Rudd clarifies, obviously not by increasing military action in Iraq and Syria.
- The 'end end-to-end encryption' argument has resurfaced, along with the convenient scapegoating of 'the internet'.
- 'Embarrassing' arguments are to be had. These will presumably be about asking the 'Muslim community' to condemn terrorism. Which 'it' obviously hasn't been doing already, I mean i definitely didn't read about an Imam in Abedi's mosque saying how he 'looked on him with hate' after anti-daesh preaching.
- May taking the opportunity to have a bit of a dig. Y'know, while campaigning is suspended.
- Shh, no-one mention the Saudis.

A lot of saying of 'things must be done' with precisely no content. I hope people see through this, because never has so much bullshit been spewed in so little time.

 

[Pickman's model]

So today:

- May has suggested increased military action in Iraq and Syria but, as Rudd clarifies, obviously not by increasing military action in Iraq and Syria.
- The 'end end-to-end encryption' argument has resurfaced, along with the convenient scapegoating of 'the internet'.
- 'Embarrassing' arguments are to be had. These will presumably be about asking the 'Muslim community' to condemn terrorism. Which 'it' obviously hasn't been doing already, I mean i definitely didn't read about an Imam in Abedi's mosque saying how he 'looked on him with hate' after anti-daesh preaching.
- May taking the opportunity to have a bit of a dig. Y'know, while campaigning is suspended.
- Shh, no-one mention the Saudis.

A lot of saying of 'things must be done' with precisely no content. I hope people see through this, because never has so much bullshit been spewed in so little time.

scientists were taken by surprise today when the world bullshit level surged to new heights as a massive crap calved off theresa may.

 

[Orang Utan]

they're not so happy to have her there, from their expressions

they must feel a bit grubby after buying arms from their dealer - a bit like one must feel after buying crack

 

[bemused]

I have some symphaty with the governments frustration how social media companies seem to work. If the police can get a warrent for your financial records from a UK bank, they should be able to get your social media data through the same process.

I'm not sure ending end to end encryption is viable.

 

[gosub]

.@jonkarl: Some discussion at White House of possible London trip later in week to show solidarity after attacks 7 killed, 3 suspects dead after 'brutal terrorist attack' in London Evan McMurry on Twitter LOL

 

[newbie]

one of the most watched on the BBC news website is "Corbyn opposes 'shoot to kill'". It's from last November, but that's a minor detail.


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[Lord Camomile]

I can't see how the Tories can say that Corbyn isn't going to protect the country. This is the third attack under May's watch, she's hardly keeping it safe is she?

I think the general assumption/perception is that as bad as she is, he'd be worse. He'd be weaker, softer, take less action, that sort of thing.

 

[elbows]

Corbyn didnt bottle mentioning Saudi Arabia.

He also returned to his comments on terror links to foreign policy, adding: "We do need to have some difficult conversations starting with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states that have funded and fuelled extremist ideology."

(brom bbc live updates page Latest updates: London attack - BBC News )

 

[mojo pixy]

Yeah but he grew up with a single Mum. He wasn't talking Preston down, he's a very proud northerner, he was talking from experience of having been brought up with fuck all money in the 80s. Of the three leaders, he's the only working class one.

Regardless of where he grew up socio-economically, now that he's the leader of a major political party he's not working class. Working class is not an identity. Nobody in Tim Farron's position can be working class.

 

[chandlerp]

There is not a chance in hell that Trump will be allowed to visit the UK in election week. FFS, it's going to be hard enough supplying security for the election as it is. The orange turd should be told, "Fuck off, it is not all about you and your desire to deflect from Comey's testimony you twat"

 

[J Ed]

 

[elbows]

So far the BBC have left out the bit about the suppressing of the foreign funding report.

eg London attack: Corbyn criticises Tories in terror speech - BBC News

 

[gosub]

There is not a chance in hell that Trump will be allowed to visit the UK in election week. FFS, it's going to be hard enough supplying security for the election as it is. The orange turd should be told, "Fuck off, it is not all about you and your desire to deflect from Comey's testimony you twat"

I think when Teresa had calmed down after she was told, she would be slightly more tactful than that

 

[J Ed]

So far the BBC have left out the bit about the suppressing of the foreign funding report.

eg London attack: Corbyn criticises Tories in terror speech - BBC News

Cunts

 

[Cid]

That article says:

"He accused the government of "suppressing" a report into the foreign funding of extremist groups."

 

[Cid]

Though admittedly it does make it sound as if they're not actually 'suppressing' it.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

So far the BBC have left out the bit about the suppressing of the foreign funding report.

eg London attack: Corbyn criticises Tories in terror speech - BBC News

Pravda with a public school accent.

 

[agricola]

I see that shoot-to-kill Kuenssberg piece* is doing the rounds on Facebook.

* the 30-second clip specifically, not the whole interview where he basically says that what happened last night is what the response should be

 

[elbows]

That article says:

"He accused the government of "suppressing" a report into the foreign funding of extremist groups."

It didnt say that when I made my comment - they expanded the article quite a lot later on.

 

[Bakunin]

 

[emanymton]

FFS put that in a spoiler.

 

[Who PhD]

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[Libertad]

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Sheryll Murray, she has form for her odious views. Her name is on the list already.

 

[chilango]

More news from behind enemy lines...

A couple I know, 100% Tory voters. Vocally anti-Corbyn for months now. Aspirational high earners with a young family, portfolio of shares, managerial types.

Both are now saying that they can't stand May

One is now likely to vote Labour purely because of the Dementia Tax.

The other is wobbling, badly.

These are shoe-in Tory base votes that are being lost.

 

[Pickman's model]

Pravda with a public school accent.

Prevda

 

[strung out]

More anecdotal evidence from my own family:

My dad is a lifelong one nation Tory, his idea of a protest vote is spoiling or voting Lib Dem, but he's considering voting Labour
My brother (JTG) has self-confessed anarchist tendencies but is voting Labour
My older sister has only ever voted Lib Dem but is voting Labour
My younger sister has only ever voted Green or Lib Dem but is voting Labour
I've generally voted Labour in the past but only while holding my nose and am doing so enthusiastically this year

The only lifelong labour voter/supporter in my family is my oldest brother and you've guessed it, is also the only person in my family who has declared that he can't vote Labour, all because he doesn't like Corbyn. Fortunately he's in Tunbridge Wells, so no hope of his vote making the difference anyway.

 

[Pickman's model]

More anecdotal evidence from my own family:

My dad is a lifelong one nation Tory, his idea of a protest vote is spoiling or voting Lib Dem, but he's considering voting Labour
My brother (JTG) has self-confessed anarchist tendencies but is voting Labour
My older sister has only ever voted Lib Dem but is voting Labour
My younger sister has only ever voted Green or Lib Dem but is voting Labour
I've generally voted Labour in the past but only while holding my nose and am doing so enthusiastically this year

The only lifelong labour voter/supporter in my family is my oldest brother and you've guessed it, is also the only person in my family who has declared that he can't vote Labour, all because he doesn't like Corbyn. Fortunately he's in Tunbridge Wells, so no hope of his vote making the difference anyway.

So he *is* "disgusted of tunbridge wells"

 

[Cid]

More anecdotal evidence from my own family:

My dad is a lifelong one nation Tory, his idea of a protest vote is spoiling or voting Lib Dem, but he's considering voting Labour
My brother (JTG) has self-confessed anarchist tendencies but is voting Labour
My older sister has only ever voted Lib Dem but is voting Labour
My younger sister has only ever voted Green or Lib Dem but is voting Labour
I've generally voted Labour in the past but only while holding my nose and am doing so enthusiastically this year

The only lifelong labour voter/supporter in my family is my oldest brother and you've guessed it, is also the only person in my family who has declared that he can't vote Labour, all because he doesn't like Corbyn. Fortunately he's in Tunbridge Wells, so no hope of his vote making the difference anyway.

Didn't know you were JTG's brother... Well maybe, but in that vaguely recalled way.

I get the same impression from my family, and a couple of acquaintances - labour loyalists through the Blair years 'can't vote Corbyn'. They have tried a few explanations, but I think it really just comes down to pure spite, especially since the manifesto release. Difficult to put numbers to them though... They might end up being significant in the m/c labour areas though I suppose; Hampstead and Kilburn has a pretty slim Labour majority for example.

 

[gawkrodger]

My dad and all his side of the family have voted Labour - this is as much a surprise as the sun setting each night as amoungst that side of the family we have 2 former Labour councillors, 5 current or former union reps and even more Labour party members. They are largely very enthusiastic about the leftward turn.

My sister is a doctor so has voted Labour

My mother is the interesting one. Voted Labour in 97, has an awful tendency to vote Lib Dem - definetly in 2010 - (and I even suspect she may have voted Tory in the past!) voted Labour, helped by the local candidate being a personable nurse

 

[chilango]

...more 3rd hand tales being relayed to me this morning of solid Tory voters in the shires turning against May.