The 2017 General Election campaign

[butchersapron]

What an odd post.

 

[J Ed]

What really galls me about the Apocalpyse 9 on that "debate" thing last night, along with the too-large demographic they represent, is that they often have had the best end of deals via both social democracy (NHS, free education for them and / or their sprogs, welfare state, ok pension plans etc.) and capitalism (cheap imports, inflated housing prices, legacy of imperial advantage) on top of the relative stability of EU which contains much of both traditions

And yet they moan and blame, blame and moan.

I am not qualified to therapise, still less from a distance, but I suspect that these deranged death-obsessives have missed out on a conscious appreciation of some of the deeper, more rewarding and miraculous qualities of life.

Perhaps they should try mindfulness or something. Imagine having such a rare opportunity to quiz a major party leader and just repeating what several have already said, nothing about the issues facing everyday folk country - just whether we should kill 10s of millions of people in a hypothetical situation. It's like a collective breakdown or something, a decades long slow outbreak of Cuntitis.

Mindfulness is crap, the actual answer here is obviously that they need to be recruited to Proletarian Democracy where their latent Posadism can be used for good.

 

[danny la rouge]

Mindfulness is crap, the actual answer here is obviously that they need to be recruited to Proletarian Democracy where their latent Posadism can be used for good.

I've said this before, but I've tried reading up on mindfulness after so many people telling me it works. I can never understand what the fuck the books are on about. They seem to be either not saying anything or describing something so obvious that I assume it doesn't need saying.

One book went on and on about absolutely nothing and even had an anecdote about the author dropping money down the toilet. Which was an obvious enough metophor for me to stop reading it.

I've decided to believe that I naturally do mindfulness all the time and that's why I don't know what the books are saying.

 

[sheothebudworths]

What an odd post.

It's not odd, it's quite right (the last paragraph being very obviously sarcastic).

 

[sheothebudworths]

The last TWO, even

 

[bmd]

I've said this before, but I've tried reading up on mindfulness after so many people telling me it works. I can never understand what the fuck the books are on about. They seem to be either not saying anything or describing something so obvious that I assume it doesn't need saying.

One book went on and on about absolutely nothing and even had an anecdote about the author dropping money down the toilet. Which was an obvious enough metophor for me to stop reading it.

I've decided to believe that I naturally do mindfulness all the time and that's why I don't know what the books are saying.

I went on and on about it to my daughter. She got me The Ladybird Book of Mindfulness that Christmas. Needless to say I took the hint.

 

[sheothebudworths]

My mate got me The Ladybird Book of Hangovers.

 

[JimW]

 

[Dogsauce]

Posted by a friend on facebook. Has anyone seen similar done for other candidates? Could be quite effective, although the smoking one might not win everybody over.

 

[sheothebudworths]

What I keep wondering about is the impact of social media on people's politics, how it informs them, but also whether people are just more likely to vote, too (I'd start a thread but I'm not brave enough).
Does it matter if people watched QT when they will inevitably have chunks of it fed back to them?

I go out for a fag at work and it's really normal for people to be discussing politics now.
There are defo people who just suck up stuff on FB which bolsters their own viewpoint (Tories! ) but there's also loads of other conversations going on where smaller snippets from FB have clearly informed people who I don't reckon would've been that interested before.

It's really normal for people *here* to look for debate and discussion - and lots of those will have been led here in the first place by it being a comfortable (heh), informative place to do that - but it doesn't mean that everyone else isn't catching up, either.

I started my job 5 years ago and there has definitely been a huge uptake in the numbers of my workmates using the internet, just in that time - and probs 80% of those are completely gripped by social media/using it as their main news source, now.

I don't know if/how any of the polls can account for that (but maybe they do and I'm being a moron).

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Holy fuck, my subjegation to youtube tory ads has increased a lot in the last 2 days (I don't run ad-block). Am worried about the effect they may have on some people. I don't watch beyond the 5 sec skip, but daresay they are pretty well thunk out and road-tested by the propagandameiseters. Obviously the scum have buckets of money for this stuff and can just lie about it in regards to declarations.

I never thought I'd miss the plethora of internet lifestyle entrepreneurs speaking to be from a coracle just off the coast of Mauritius.

 

[Who PhD]

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Posted by a friend on facebook. Has anyone seen similar done for other candidates? Could be quite effective, although the smoking one might not win everybody over.

I wish to god people like him would get voted out, but it won't happen. Too many scumbags get something from wankers like him being in power

 

[kabbes]

I've said this before, but I've tried reading up on mindfulness after so many people telling me it works. I can never understand what the fuck the books are on about. They seem to be either not saying anything or describing something so obvious that I assume it doesn't need saying.

One book went on and on about absolutely nothing and even had an anecdote about the author dropping money down the toilet. Which was an obvious enough metophor for me to stop reading it.

I've decided to believe that I naturally do mindfulness all the time and that's why I don't know what the books are saying.

If you are mentally healthy, it is easy to take for granted the mechanisms that keep you that way. But if you are not, you need tools to be able to deal with it. A common manifestation of anxiety is when your mind races, rushing through negative thoughts and overwhelming you. Mindfulness as a tool is a useful way of alleviating that. It has proved incredibly successful in this regard, so I wouldn't be too dismissive of it. If you're not careful, such dismissiveness comes across as a kind of smug superiority over those who aren't so fortunate as you as to not have to deliberately work hard to achieve what you take for granted.

 

[danny la rouge]

If somebody can point me to a mindfulness book that actually says something, I'll be happy to revise my opinion.

 

[bi0boy]

If somebody can point me to a mindfulness book that actually says something, I'll be happy to revise my opinion.

Have you never found some words useful that other people have regarded as 'stating the obvious'

 

[danny la rouge]

Have you never found some words useful that other people have regarded as 'stating the obvious'

Not that I can remember.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm going to start a separate thread, btw. Not because I need to discuss this, but so that it doesn't disrupt this one.

ETA: link https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/mindfulness.352588/

 

[chilango]

Heard somebody* (quite seriously) describe the proposed nationalisation of utilities as "like what the Nazis did to the Jews when they seized their property".


*my mother

 

[Dogsauce]

Does the suspension of campaigning again mean an end to Tory ads on Facebook/YouTube/web pages? Otherwise it's just a cynical move knowing that Labour is much more dependent on traditional campaigning and hasn't got the cash to do the same volume of internet stuff.

 

[killer b]

Of course not. They'll be ramping up the corbo/Hamas one in fact.

 

[Idris2002]

Heard somebody* (quite seriously) describe the proposed nationalisation of utilities as "like what the Nazis did to the Jews when they seized their property".


*my mother

Show her Germa Bel's work on Nazi privatisation (seriously).

 

[DotCommunist]

Show her Germa Bel's work on Nazi privatisation (seriously).

this?
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

 

[gawkrodger]

perusing social media this morning I've had a gander at acquaintances who are partial to a bit of right-wing hyperbole at times like these. They have posts lamenting the 'pc-brigade' calls for internment, expulsion of suspects from the country etc, but then, slightly to my surprise - turned to criticising foreign policy, support for Saudi Arabia, stressing things had to chance and they would vote Corbyn. Only anecdotal, and next to useless, but I wouldn't have expected these people to be voting Labour - (I know in the last election 1 voted Tory and 1 UKIP)

 

[Idris2002]

this?
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

That's the one!

 

[danny la rouge]

Heard somebody* (quite seriously) describe the proposed nationalisation of utilities as "like what the Nazis did to the Jews when they seized their property".


*my mother

FFS.

My mother has her own ideosyncracies. (In her case, late oneset homophobia. This from someone who was a socially liberal socialist and feminist in my youth).

 

[Wilf]

Don't know whether I'm being as inappropriate as her in posting this, but Theresa May has just said there is “far too much tolerance of extremism in our country”. It would be so crass to turn this into point scoring against Corbyn/positioning herself as the only way forward, so fucking terrible, that I'm being charitable and thinking she isn't really doing that. Am I being overly charitable?

 

[existentialist]

Don't know whether I'm being as inappropriate as her in posting this, but Theresa May has just said there is “far too much tolerance of extremism in our country”. It would be so crass to turn this into point scoring against Corbyn/positioning herself as the only way forward, so fucking terrible, that I'm being charitable and thinking she isn't really doing that. Am I being overly charitable?

Yep, you're being overly charitable. I suspect that the Tories are (internally) justifiying pretty much anything in view of their slide in popularity during the runup to this election, and I don't think there is a "too low to stoop" from their point of view in terms of trying to capture a public mood.

 

[Kaka Tim]

yep - the cunts are weaponising the terror attacks.

 

[maomao]

FFS.

My mother has her own ideosyncracies. (In her case, late oneset homophobia. This from someone who was a socially liberal socialist and feminist in my youth).

Don't know whether I'm being as inappropriate as her in posting this, but Theresa May has just said there is “far too much tolerance of extremism in our country”. It would be so crass to turn this into point scoring against Corbyn/positioning herself as the only way forward, so fucking terrible, that I'm being charitable and thinking she isn't really doing that. Am I being overly charitable?

Tories won't see it as stooping low. They really believe they're protecting the country from dangerous communists.

 

[MightyTibberton]

In terms of policy though is there any real difference between the two parties on what you might broadly call "national security"?

Obviously Corbyn's made his foreign policy pitch and it seems to have been pretty popular and not the horrific, controversial bombshell that the Tory press thought it would be.

No doubt they'll play up Corbyn's alleged softness on terrorism in social media and on doorsteps even if their big names stay away from the subject as "distasteful" so soon after an attack.

But what about police spending?

Mmm. I dunno. I dunno if it's even right to be discussing it. . . ?

I saw an American commentator refer to Labour voters - like my good self - as acting in a mood of nihilism!

UKIP will benefit I suspect, though how that plays in to the main party battle who knows. . .