The 2017 General Election campaign

[treelover]

The Captain's back.

 

[bemused]

Damn you Andrew Neil, he was this close to saying "the man who passes the sentence should wield the sword".

Paul Nuttall a future PM

 

[agricola]

Paul Nuttall and a future PM

And for illegally crossing a border, too.

 

[Corax]

Why isn't this stupid fucking debate available to watch live on 4OD?

 

[Cid]

Why isn't this stupid fucking debate available to watch live on 4OD?

Innit...

Possibly to do with the Sky tie in... will it be pay-per-view next time?

Still, at least it saves me from throwing stuff at my monitor.

 

[Dogsauce]

It's on in the other room here, I can't make out more than the odd sound bite, so far 'hard working families' and 'high skilled, high wage economy' have been blurted out. I've realised how much I hate the tone of her voice, lecturing, bitter, arrogant. Sounds like they've stuffed the audience with her supporters from the applause, like last time round too.

 

[Supine]

It's on in the other room here, I can't make out more than the odd sound bite, so far 'hard working families' and 'high skilled, high wage economy' have been blurted out. I've realised how much I hate the tone of her voice, lecturing, bitter, arrogant. Sounds like they've stuffed the audience with her supporters from the applause, like last time round too.

You should watch. You'd realise it was corbyn not May on the tv



The lad is doing well

 

[Corax]

You should watch. You'd realise it was corbyn not May on the tv



The lad is doing well

He is, ain't he?

Let's see what happens with Paxman...

 

[Corax]

Will everyone stop banging on about Trident FFS.

 

[Corax]

Paxman so far successfully pointing out that the Labour leader personally holds socialist views.

Fuckin 'ell...

 

[DotCommunist]

*turns on LBC webplayer*

*rapidly turns off again'

 

[Corax]

Now simply repeatedly pointing out illustrations of the Labour party not being run as a dictatorship. Like, erm... the Tories.

 

[Supine]

Paxman is a right cunt!

 

[Corax]

*turns on LBC webplayer*

*rapidly turns off again'

Yeah - good idea.

Can't cope with any more of this bellendery. I just keep shouting at Paxman to grow the fuck up.

 

[Dogsauce]

You should watch. You'd realise it was corbyn not May on the tv



The lad is doing well

Must have been something else on, as it was definitely May's hectoring tone I could hear. Was something being repeated on one of the other channels?

 

[Corax]

Paxman is a right cunt!

Not even in the "rottweiler interviewer" sense though. Just being a narcissistic dickhead.

 

[JTG]

Switched off. I'm not interested in Paxman's ego and even less interested in giving him the ratings

 

[DotCommunist]

he's got 1 interview technique. Ask the question and then start interrupting if the other fellow is being woolly and/or evasive. It works on dissemblers but when someone is giving clear answers and you just ride over them, well. Also the repetition of the favoured tory talking points. Make sure all they remember is paxmans questions.

lifes too short for it really and I'm warm enough already

 

[bemused]

The battle for number 10 thing was pretty pants tbh. I think Corbyn did better than May, although a leader of a party that's been in power seven years should get a harder time. I don't think I came away learning anything I didn't know beforehand.

 

[Supine]

Oh man. Just seen the guardians first draft of a front page. Hope they make it sound more positive very soon.

No link but shown on sky news

 

[magneze]

I doubt it changed anyone's vote unless they'd never seen Corbyn before. He came across well.

 

[newbie]

Thank you for sharing that. I've posted it on twitter, anonymously of course (as in you anonymous, not me).

I'm not sure if it originated on pastebin, or subsequently got copied there. Save The Alexandra Hospital claim it came from Hannah Middlebrook (a warrior for social justice who lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma), writing on Tuesday. It's been picked up elsewhere and looks likely to go viral.

Are the central accusations actually true, does anyone know?

 

[Vintage Paw]

This is astonishing.

 

[DotCommunist]

I thought he was offering him out for a minute cos he'd gone into incoherent posh. Outside the EU parliament, pay per view. Thats a tradition now

 

[Vintage Paw]

I'm not sure if it originated on pastebin, or subsequently got copied there. Save The Alexandra Hospital claim it came from Hannah Middlebrook (a warrior for social justice who lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma), writing on Tuesday. It's been picked up elsewhere and looks likely to go viral.

Are the central accusations actually true, does anyone know?

Central accusations being that bills for healthcare will be rolling in, and that people can eventually end up declaring bankruptcy? Is that what you mean?

Yes, that's true. Health care expenses are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US. Even with insurance coverage - which varies wildly in what it covers and how much it covers of the ailments it does actually cover - patients still have to pay a certain amount, depending on their deductibles (the amount they have to pay before insurance starts paying) and the co-pay amount (to my knowledge the amount the insurer will pay while you pay some of it, a percentage ratio split between you - I think). Even with decent insurance a patient can still pay thousands. Once you get something your insurance doesn't cover (which is common), you can be looking at tens or hundreds of thousands.

Everything is charged for, from ambulance use to anaesthetic, food, the bed per day (not sure if worked out per hour), nursing, medications, all tests - blood tests (different types), imaging tests, etc... Imagine a lawyer who keeps itemised lists of every phone call, every 5 minutes spent working on a case, every letter written for a client, and so on - that's what medical bills look like in the US (although level of itemisation varies and inflated costs can be sneaked in by not itemising).

And yes, the bills will turn up right away.

American medical bill examples on Google.

 

[extra dry]

Taken a step in to the world of conservatives by following the con. page on facebook. Looks like a lot of people buying the May story of her being a strong leadet yada yada Corbine is in bed with the IRA/ISIS etc.

 

[newbie]

Central accusations being that bills for healthcare will be rolling in, and that people can eventually end up declaring bankruptcy? Is that what you mean?

Yes, that's true. Health care expenses are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US. Even with insurance coverage - which varies wildly in what it covers and how much it covers of the ailments it does actually cover - patients still have to pay a certain amount, depending on their deductibles (the amount they have to pay before insurance starts paying) and the co-pay amount (to my knowledge the amount the insurer will pay while you pay some of it, a percentage ratio split between you - I think). Even with decent insurance a patient can still pay thousands. Once you get something your insurance doesn't cover (which is common), you can be looking at tens or hundreds of thousands.

Everything is charged for, from ambulance use to anaesthetic, food, the bed per day (not sure if worked out per hour), nursing, medications, all tests - blood tests (different types), imaging tests, etc... Imagine a lawyer who keeps itemised lists of every phone call, every 5 minutes spent working on a case, every letter written for a client, and so on - that's what medical bills look like in the US (although level of itemisation varies and inflated costs can be sneaked in by not itemising).

And yes, the bills will turn up right away.

American medical bill examples on Google.

It was a poorly worded question, I was tired, but yes that is what I meant, specifically in the case of a major terrorist incident, because I was unable to find anything definitive about medical bills resulting from acts of terrorism within the US. US citizens appear to be indemnified for medical bills resulting from terrorism outside their borders by statute.

TBH I don't really have the skills or background understanding of US healthcare to properly fact check, but the position appears to be be patchy, varying with insurance company as well as state. However the victims of the last two major terrorism incidents on US soil don't seem to have been billed for their immediate medical care. Victims of the Boston bomb appear to have been covered by the state if they did not have their own insurance. In the case of the Orlando shooting the hospitals didn't press uninsured charges. Longterm continuing care isn't quite so clear, but laws have been put in place to cover victims of the twin towers attack until 2090.

So while the basic assertion in the quoted piece may be true in the case of uninsured victims in some states it looks like in practice it's unlikely to work out like that, even before multi-million dollar fundraising kicks in.

 

[bemused]

This is astonishing.

I watched this, I think Boris knew what he was doing. He's too polished with is Tim nice but dim act to just melt down. To overwhelmed that space and got out the basic line we'll see for the next two weeks: brexit and immigration.

 

[Corax]

Anyone found a transcript of last night's May/Corbyn stuff?

 

[Orang Utan]

Bit confused about why people who have already decided on their vote are watching these TV things. What do they get out of it?
My timelines on social media are mostly Labour confirmed, yet they are still watching the leaders talk shit on the telly and getting all cross and capital-lettery about it on Twitter and Facebook.