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Yeah...sorry about that...i think it's because they are so lengthy.
I think it's because you don't have a clue how to come back on them. And so, since they don't fit into your worldview and yet you can't say anything against them, you just conveniently ignore them instead. Not just not reply to them, but actually wipe them from your reality. That way you don't have to engage with the ideas at all.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Your words not mine !
If it came to a choice between working in a pub (again) or studying 6 years to be a doctor (no I'm not)...to end up on the same after tax pay I'd be in the pub. Everybody would be.
Surely there has to be some incentive for people to do the harder or in some cases just less desirable but better paying jobs ?
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this ^ is post 173
this ^ is post 169 - and 168's the post above that
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ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
No they wouldn't. I'd choose doctor every time. That's if the fees weren't so darn high.
I don't think anyone suggested paying doctors the same as bar staff.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Nobody has suggested that hypothetical scenario, but your reaction speaks volumes...for yourself.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
1. Your post says that high paying jobs are hard...all high paying jobs (other wise people would choose to do high paying easy jobs); that's the logic of what you have written.
2. How do you know what everybody would do? It's an amazingly arrogant (I know what everybody thinks) and self centered (they all think like me) claim to make...or make up.
3. Can you imagine no other incentive than personal material gain? Is your mental world and life experience that small?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Firstly, it's not true everybody would be. Not by a long shot.
My own wife is a great example. She is currently paid in the top 2% of salaries for working at home in a pretty easy job. She had to study a lot to get there, but now she's at the top, she can reap the rewards.
She doesn't technically even "need" to do that. We don't need her income. If she really wanted, she could do nothing.
And yet what she's actually doing is the first year of a part time biomedical degree. She took a 40% hit to her salary and went part time at work so that she could do it. It might take her a long time to get there, but she hopes eventually to do medical research. No doubt for considerably less pay and having worked bloody hard to achieve it.
So where is your financial incentive there?
Secondly, you are once again playing the excluded middle. The choice is not doctor or pub worker. There is a whole spectrum. To be a middle-manager on £50k does not involve "harder work" per se then to be a cleaner on £15k. It means having more cultural capital, having had a certain element of luck, of having known the right people at the right time.
Given equality of wage, would everybody choose to be the cleaner rather than the middle manager? Is the only reason for the difference in wage because otherwise it would be all cleaners and no middle managers?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Come on Barry43210, don't take that shit off kabbes, a cutting, intelligent riposte is required here, are you man enough for the job?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
He's ringing Oswaldtwistle for help!
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doctor traditionally five years at university
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No good calling me. I'm with Louis McNeice and Kabbes on this one. There is no relationship at all between how hard a job is and how much it pays. Just ask anyone who works in a care home for a start.
A part time bar job might be a easy-ish way to earn a bit of extra cash at uni but it could still be considered 'hard' if you were doing it day in, day out for years, dealing with pissed up people every night, anti-social hours, not seeing your family etc.
LeslieB is studying 6 (or 5 who cares) years to be a Doctor not hard...and perhaps warranting the good pay I think it deserves ? Vs pulling pints. Are people just pretending to disagree ?
I'm not sure it is hard, no, although it is obviously stressful at times. Not the same thing. Most people have a great time (most of the time) at uni.
This, by the way, is why I'm against taxing the care home worker, or the night shift factory worker, or the dustman, (or the full time pint puller or burger flipper for that matter) to pay for the education of middle class kids who want to study law or medicine etc etc.
Hilarious.
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you'd rather the working class took on crippling levels of debt: or didn't enter higher education.
A real eye opener Leslie. Wow.
Well. To me the person who said that all rich people should pay 95% tax is wrong. At least I should say I don't agree.
A doctor or other professional on 100k is 'rich' in my book. And if they have worked to get there no way would it be reasonable for them to pay 95% tax.
Well. To me the person who said that all rich people should pay 95% tax is wrong. At least I should say I don't agree.
A doctor or other professional on 100k is 'rich' in my book. And if they have worked to get there no way would it be reasonable for them to pay 95% tax.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
If it was a conspiracy against the laity argument then there's a discussion but it's worse, as the mathematicians say, he's not even wrong!
Pickman, is your job challenging ?....I mean you seem to be pretty good at multi-tasking given you have posted here literally all day.
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Starry Wisdom
you found post 168 yet? or is it too challenging for you?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I guess you must be on night shifts this week ?
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nothing gets by our barry. except the arguments and the facts.You noticed that, then?
Always a corker!
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you're not very good at guessing.
I thinks the kids say 'pmsl'
Apologies for not keeping up. But I'll give myself a pat on the back.....given you seem to have so much more time available to participate.
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