Neither. It was for dicking about. A lot. Repeatedly.
Frankly I can't believe I'm still here but I am. I'd rather you didn't keep making reference to my past but I'm not going to let it bother me if you do.
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Frankly I can't believe I'm still here but I am. I'd rather you didn't keep making reference to my past but I'm not going to let it bother me if you do.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
There are other forums where your ill-informed, reactionary views would attract little criticism; why not take yourself away to them?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'm quite happy to make references to your future here instead.
Because I like Urban. And the unwatch thread button is particularly good, don't you think?
Long and trouble free, hopefully.
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Starry Wisdom
yeh. hopefully.
I think we are getting bogged down in flower arranging detail. Apologies let me try something more clear cut. How about a degree in brass banding (yes google that)
Back to the point at hand. To me, if the number of subjects and courses had not ballooned so much in the last 20 years I would be out waving the flag for fully tax payer funded higher education. Seriously.
People can swear and point...but there's just too much to pay for these days to cover the current student population.
Please keep in mind...government does not create money. They collect a finite amount of tax and thats all they have available to spend.
Ok...let the swearing continue....
Back to the point at hand. To me, if the number of subjects and courses had not ballooned so much in the last 20 years I would be out waving the flag for fully tax payer funded higher education. Seriously.
People can swear and point...but there's just too much to pay for these days to cover the current student population.
Please keep in mind...government does not create money. They collect a finite amount of tax and thats all they have available to spend.
Ok...let the swearing continue....
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Starry Wisdom
oh dear
that's utter bollocks, as well you know.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
So Barry what's your degree in?
Perhaps you should have gone for the floristry and got yourself some useful skills?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
OK, so what percentage of degrees currently available are in your eyes not worth paying for? Why are they not worth paying for? How much money does paying for these degrees equate to on a per-taxpayer basis?
No idea. But let me ask you a question that a normal human being can more easily answer. What % tax rate would you personally be willing to pay in order to fund all courses for all people.
Just a % tax rate please.
oh dear
Can you explain which part you don't agree with and why.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
I'd pay an extra 5% easily. And I'm not on a large income by any means.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'll not swear but, unusually for Urban, I actually feel a little embarrassed for you. You appear to have so little grasp of the governmental motivation for privatising/selling the student loan book and the impact of that on the whole HE sector, that it's difficult to know where to start with your petty, reactionary guff about courses.
Go and read some economics as well FFS.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
For the richest? Oh 95%ish would be OK by me.
Haven't we done this merry-go-round? I'd be more than happy to see corporation tax rise to 25%. That will create £14bn a year more than letting it drop to 18%. Enough for the £10bn funding of higher education with £4bn left over for other things.
I'm then personally happy to pay another 5% tax to fund other important social projects. As, indeed, I was until this government got in, which is when they decided their number 1 priority for their fiscal policy was to drop the highest rate of income tax from 50% to 45%.
This is what you seem unable to grapple with. The money is there and has been there. It's just been prioritized to be used for tax drops for the very richest rather than infrastructure investment. It's an ideological shifting of the cost burden to the individual and in its current aggressive form, it's really very, very new.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the bit which says the only money the government has is tax returns when i know, and i hope you know, that's bollocks.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh barry seems never to have heard of the national debt
Great thanks. So please tell me where else they get it from. In the real world that is...not just in your nightmares.
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Starry Wisdom
jesus mary and joseph
i even fucking mention it in post #168 and you still haven't fucking got itRichest who have inherited, or richest who have earned it ? I'm with you on the former.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
jesus mary and joseph
Your prejudice suggests you think I have a private education. Wrong again. Far from it.
Do me a favour please cut and paste whatevet post 168 is I can't be bothered to find it. Intriguing though that there is a source of money that nobody else knows about.
Cool. So whats the point in anybody working hard ? If you will only benefit 5%. Should we all just do easy jobs ?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
All low paying jobs are easy and all high paying ones are hard...really?
Do you really believe that the level of remuneration a job can demand is down to it's 'hardness'...you are a grown up aren't you?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
ffs....although come to think of it, if the only motivation for someone to "work hard" is greed then frankly we'd be better off if they didn't bother.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
There is at least one school of economics that claims money originates with public spending rather than with private activity. I believe they call themselves Modern Monetary Theory. I don't know what to think of it to be honest, but It's certain that austerity has reduced our GDP by sucking demand out of the system. So cutting spending can actually cause tax revenues to go down and make the deficit worse.
Think of it this way - if you were a plumber who's van had just broken down, would you refuse to borrow money to get it fixed? Of course not. You'd reduce your income to zero if you did that. The sensible thing to do would be to borrow to invest in a new van. This is what spending on higher education is - investment.
You do understand how marginal tax rates work, right?
You clearly understand nothing of human motivation, so we won't even start down that route.
(You also seem quite happy to ignore all my lengthy posts that explain to you in detail the problems with what you are saying, so maybe this pithy put-down will do the job. Since that is the behaviour you obviously wish to encourage.)
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
That Barry43210 is perhaps the most ignorant post I've seen on here in a long time btw. Well done.
Thanks for the refreshing injection of intelligence into the conversation.
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