Stop the BNP's Nazi rally in Derbyshire on Saturday 15 August (Discussion)

[butchersapron]

So you're still saying nothing then. Beyond that the question of the day is fascism or bourgeois democracy? You're a fantasist.

 

[Pickman's model]

Now you're just pretending to be stupid.

i'm sure you're not pretending to be stupid.

 

[TremulousTetra]

this ^^^^ too fucking right .. the bnp are a distraction

eta actually NL arn't racist .. but their actions are worse than anything BNP will EVER achieve by a factor of a million ..

Yup, there were people in the SA who argued the Iraq war was a distraction.

It's the same question realy, why can't you do both? It's not like those who would oppose fascism, the locals mentioned above http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/sho...5&postcount=48 , would not be amenable to progressive politics, and the building of a real alternative to the BNP. I would think they will be people quite easy to win to that cause.

 

[TremulousTetra]

i'm sure you're not pretending to be stupid.

@ists never hijack, and destroy, that they disagree with.

 

[TremulousTetra]

So you're still saying nothing then. Beyond that the question of the day is fascism or bourgeois democracy? You're a fantasist.

ask a question worth answering. Why should I defend strawman?

 

[Pickman's model]

@ists never hijack, and destroy, that they disagree with.

no, you're not pretending

 

[butchersapron]

Yup, there were people in the SA who argued the Iraq war was a distraction.

It's the same question realy, why can't you do both? It's not like those who would oppose fascism, the locals mentioned above http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/sho...5&postcount=48 , would not be amenable to progressive politics, and the building of a real alternative to the BNP. I would think they will be people quite easy to win to that cause.

Do both what? You've yet to say - but the 'other' thing that UAF do, the 2nd thing, is defend labour, defend tories, defend the system. It's not possible to simultaneously attack the system as producing the far right and also defend the system as our protector against the far right. It's pure fantasy and de-facto support of the status quo. From someone who puts change at the cntre of their politics too. Fantasy.

 

[butchersapron]

ask a question worth answering. Why should I defend strawman?

It's not a strawman - it's your on own quote on the current situation that we face:

You are more than capable of distinguishing between fascism and bourgeois democracy

 

[articul8]

Do both what? You've yet to say - but the 'other' thing that UAF do, the 2nd thing, is defend labour, defend tories, defend the system. It's not possible to simultaneously attack the system as producing the far right and also defend the system as our protector against the far right. It's pure fantasy and de-facto support of the status quo. From someone who puts change at the cntre of their politics too. Fantasy.

He means on the one hand fight labour attacks on the w/c whilst also saying "vote Labour to stop the BNP"?

 

[butchersapron]

He does, but he won't say it - and he'll pretend the 2nd thing, the thing on top of anti-fascism is the exact opposite of that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why shouldn't workers defend their gains? AND fight for more?

And they can do that by keeping the BNP out through voting Labour, can they?

 

[TremulousTetra]

hypocrite.

 

[butchersapron]

You've just made a post crying about there being debate on this thread when it's supposed to be an announce thread - (omitting to mention your 25 posts on the thread) and now you post yet another one calling someone else a hypocrite. You're bizzare.

Seriously, you need to deal wth the political points that have been brought up on this thread - repeatdly, due to your evasive apolitical replies.

 

[TremulousTetra]

You've just made a post crying about there being debate on this thread when it's supposed to be an announce thread - (omitting to mention your 25 posts on the thread) and now you post yet another one calling someone else a hypocrite. You're bizzare.

Seriously, you need to deal wth the political points that have been brought up on this thread - repeatdly, due to your evasive apolitical replies.

Why lie http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9525536&postcount=34

VP was "crying" about the FAQ, I merely pointed the hypocrisy.

btw, my oppologies for BA's rudeness, VP.

 

[TremulousTetra]

But before local people thought it was a good idea to protest? Butchersapron might be cool about hundreds of fascists having a party on his backdoorstep, but many ain't having it. Believe it or not, this is happening in peoples communities and they're objecting to it. The fact that UAF wants to hijack the protest shouldn't detract from the fact that the main protest of the day will be formed of local people defending their community.

What local groups are UAF working with? Why no mention in their literature?

btw rioted, do you have any infio on this?

 

[Rod Sleeves]

I like the way Rioted said "aint", that's proper working class that is.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I've copied this thread over to ukpol rather than announce, and will be removing all the "discursive" bits from the one in announce.

 

[DotCommunist]

I like the way Rioted said "aint", that's proper working class that is.

not when you you include the contractive apostrophe it isn't

 

[ViolentPanda]

hypocrite.

No, I'm not a hypocrite. I would never advise people to help keep a bunch of liberty-destroying muppets in power to keep another bunch of liberty-destroying muppets out of power. Now that, old son, is true hypocrisy.

 

[TremulousTetra]

not when you you include the contractive apostrophe it isn't

That's what I was thinking.

I can't talk, sometimes when I get pissed, I Sound like Noel Gallagher. god knows how the speech recognition understands me.

 

[Pickman's model]

god knows how anyone manages to understand you

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why lie http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9525536&postcount=34

VP was "crying" about the FAQ, I merely pointed the hypocrisy.

Thing is, cock-face, "strong language" is allowed by the FAQs, cross-posting your gibberish across threads isn't.
No hypocrisy involved.

btw, my oppologies for BA's rudeness, VP.

Fuck you, the horse you rode in on, the dickless fuck-faced bastard who sold you the horse and his syphilis-ridden whore of a mother for having shat him out.

 

[ViolentPanda]

go, go, go on. tell these people.

Tell them what? I asked you a question. The appropriate response is for you to answer it, not for you to gibber like a gibbon with a chilli stuffed up it's arsehole.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I like the way Rioted said "aint", that's proper working class that is.

"Ain't" is a conceit of the petit bourgeoisie affected so as to give a veneer of credibility to their pronouncements.
CTR, they'll be 2nd up against the wall, after the jugglers and mimes.

 

[Pickman's model]

Tell them what? I asked you a question. The appropriate response is for you to answer it, not for you to gibber like a gibbon with a chilli stuffed up it's arsehole.

more like a baboon with a pineapple stuffed up its jaxi being slowly pulled out.

 

[ViolentPanda]

not when you you include the contractive apostrophe it isn't

Punctuationism, comrade?

I'm surprised at you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

god knows how anyone manages to understand you

Back-sliding into religion-based error, are you, comrade?

(hands over rusty Nagant revolver)

You know what to do for the good of the revolution, comrade.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Thing is, cock-face, "strong language" is allowed by the FAQs, cross-posting your gibberish across threads isn't.
No hypocrisy involved.

Moderator. "Please keep posts on this one to details of the rally/arrangements/etc only. "
Hypocrite.

Fuck you, the horse you rode in on, the dickless fuck-faced bastard who sold you the horse and his syphilis-ridden whore of a mother for having shat him out.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, making fun of your conspiracy theory.

 

[dennisr]

do you have any infio on this?

Some info about yesterday's activities (passed on by friend):
At 13:00 hours DCARF members along with the UAF. Packed up stalls and went to surround Derby's only BNP stall of the year.

The slogans used (especially for you armchair activists):
Derby County's jailed ex-directors; BNP failure on education, health and employment, bankers and bankrupcies.

Result:
vehement, fierce accusations of racism from passing local people ...
The BNP folded their stall after 20 minutes without having being able to talk to a single person.

Other anti-fascists continued to arrive after the BNP's retreat. and they are now setting-up for next Saturday.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Moderator. "Please keep posts on this one to details of the rally/arrangements/etc only. "
Hypocrite.

You are aware that what you've just quoted refers to the thread of the same title in the "announce" forum, aren't you?
Actually, probably not or you wouldn't have been stupid enough to quote it, eh?

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, making fun of your conspiracy theory.

You didn't hurt my feelings. What's up, can't you take a joke?

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, after all.