butchersapron
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Nope, no idea what you're on about again. Defending neo-liberalism holding hands with labour and cameron and so on is not defending democracy, if you want to use that simplisitic slogan as your call to arms.
Stop the BNP's Nazi rally in Derbyshire on Saturday 15 August (Discussion)
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Nope, no idea what you're on about again. Defending neo-liberalism holding hands with labour and cameron and so on is not defending democracy, if you want to use that simplisitic slogan as your call to arms.
TremulousTetra
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What an arrogant twot you are. Such a beacon for progressive politics.bit complex for badco tho
TremulousTetra
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simplistic? You are the one who is simplistic, unable to understand you can defend and attack at the same time."bit complex for butchers tho "
butchersapron
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Holding hands with labour and cameron is not defending anymore than the suggestiin to bring the trojan horse through the gates was a great defensive ploy.
TremulousTetra
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And not drawing a distinction between the real fascists, and the "social fascists", was such a great defensive line for the communist party in Germany.
Do you consider the trade union social fascists as well? I mean, there's still funding the labour party.
butchersapron
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KPD! KPD! Mr Cameron, your carriage awaits.
TremulousTetra
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Talk in language everybody can understand fool. Stop being arrogant.
butchersapron
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Oh you understand.
I invite you, again, to say how holding hand with the architects and enforcers of neo-liberalism = defending democracy and how defending democracy in this manner is anti-fascist.
I invite you, again, to say how holding hand with the architects and enforcers of neo-liberalism = defending democracy and how defending democracy in this manner is anti-fascist.
TremulousTetra
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I think you are too old and too stupid for need to start explaining to you the difference between the labour party and fascism.
butchersapron
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I extend the invitation once more. Think of the viewing public and your revolutionary duty to patiently explain.
TremulousTetra
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his problem is he has nothing to offer those who oppose fascism, and everything to those for those who oppose immigrants.
butchersapron
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I lack confused platitudes such as the above yes.
butchersapron
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Call me a racist rmp3, go on, you know you want to. Or a panda.
TremulousTetra
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That's because he is.
butchersapron
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Are you going to this thing then rmp3? Going to get Mr Cameron's autograph?
TremulousTetra
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No way mate. I have every admiration for people like you. You are genuinely committed to what you believe in, and you genuinely want to create a better society. You just wrong in your methodology, and you're arrogant and elitist attitude.
butchersapron
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Hating neo-liberalism and thinking that holding hands with those that enforce it, with those who produce the far-right is not elitism. You can't define my criticisms away that way.
TremulousTetra
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are you always going to sneer at people who want to oppose fascism, and fight for something better than we have now at the same time?
butchersapron
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I'vve made a specific criticism about your chosen tactics, please don't try and substitute yourself for everyone else -the w/c in particular. Substitutionism is bad.
butchersapron
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An eloquent marxist defence of why it's essential to hold hands with labour, tory and lib-dem in defence of our way of life against those revolutionary bounders of the BNP who want to overthrow the system though. That extremist shit is bad.
TremulousTetra
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no your arrogance and your elitism is nothing to do with that. Some of it is to do with your politics, but mostly seems to be in your nature.
butchersapron
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So explain why you're not dealing with poltical points then - or, alternatively, deal with them.
TremulousTetra
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Now you're just pretending to be stupid. You are more than capable of distinguishing between fascism and bourgeois democracy. I do not believe if you had a choice between the two, you would choose the former.
butchersapron
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That's not the choice that we're faced with though is it? Please do not pretend that it is. If you think that it is then you're fucked. If that is the thinking of the UAF then they're even more fucked. You need a serious dose of reality.
TremulousTetra
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it is you who has the one dimensional politics. "The only form of defence, is to attack neo-liberalism." You claim to be a Marxist, but you can't see how they can both be part of the same process, defence and attack.You dont think that the people who want to take "actions against them" can't take action in the real world "for dealing with the workplace and community issues that are producing electoral support for the far-right"?
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And instead of fighting strawman I suggest you read this again http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9521435&postcount=48
butchersapron
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Om my god, for the last time, i'm not a marxist and have never claimed to be.
But please tell me how defending neo-liberalism is part of some dialectical later attack. Becasue the problem is, that the people arguing 'against them' are clearly and explicitly arguing against and rejecting those who you demand they hold hands with to 'defend democracy'.
And why ignore my question - do you realy think that this is the question that we're faced with - fascism or bourgeois democracy? An answer would go some way to clarifying your approach.
But please tell me how defending neo-liberalism is part of some dialectical later attack. Becasue the problem is, that the people arguing 'against them' are clearly and explicitly arguing against and rejecting those who you demand they hold hands with to 'defend democracy'.
And why ignore my question - do you realy think that this is the question that we're faced with - fascism or bourgeois democracy? An answer would go some way to clarifying your approach.
this ^^^^ too fucking right .. the bnp are a distractionWhy do idiots like you still still speak in defence of new labour?
The bnp may cause a few racist attacks .New labour carpet bombs entire communities in Iraq and afghanistan.
People like you make me laugh
Sorry to burst your bubble but new Labour are racist it dont matter how you try and skirt round the issue.
Go on tell me how new labour are not racist because blowing children to bits in Iraq and Afghanistan is different from racism in the uk.
eta actually NL arn't racist .. but their actions are worse than anything BNP will EVER achieve by a factor of a million ..
thats fair enough
TremulousTetra
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Hari Krishna.
WTF was that gibberish.
when you ask a question worth answering, and may do so.
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