Star Trek: Discovery

[Wilf]

I thought for one moment we were heading for the usual spaceport bar scene when they went to trade the tricorder, replete with bounty hunters and money owed, but thankfully that one was swerved. Wasn't convinced by the speed the new feller went from being a betrayer to eco saviour in the space of 5 mins, but that aside I thought it was great.

 

[Wilf]

No. The former is Discovery, the latter is Picard.

Which is which?

 

[Raheem]

As an aside for Trekkies. My 9 year-old would probably like it, and all or most of the series are on Netflix, including the original. Which series, in your opinion, would be best?

 

[mwgdrwg]

I'm tired of burnham constantly looking on the verge of tears. enough with the crying.
And the teleport chase scene was unintentionally comical, LOL

Signs of life - screams for joy like a banshee (could've been a single-cell amoeba or Tribbles lol)

For a person raised on VULCAN she sure is highly emotional.

Most illogical.

 

[MickiQ]

Is it just me but is a plot of the basic plot of Stars Wars Discovery nicked from Andromeda Ascendent (Roddenberry's other sci-fi series)?. The Federation/Systems Commonwealth has fallen and galaxy is now basically the wild west with spaceships.
However the Andromeda Ascendent/Discovery a ship from the past has survived and Cmdr Burnham/Captain Hunt has sworn to bring back the good old days and restart civilisation.
Enjoyed it though not the most thoughtful of TV scifi but the show moved along at a decent clip, cliched story notwithstanding.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

As an aside for Trekkies. My 9 year-old would probably like it, and all or most of the series are on Netflix, including the original. Which series, in your opinion, would be best?

To be honest, you might be best to just google for "best Star Trek episodes" and just watch a selection from every series - that's what I did.

 

[steveo87]

As an aside for Trekkies. My 9 year-old would probably like it, and all or most of the series are on Netflix, including the original. Which series, in your opinion, would be best?

For a nine year-old?
Probably TNG. Its not overly complicated - the stories are very linear, there's not much character development so you can pick up an episode from one season and watch one from another with out missing out on much.
That said, ignore the first two seasons - they're both really meh (most of the episodes were written by Roddenberry in the 70s, and have not aged well.)

For an adult, its DS9, although it takes a couple of seasons to get going.


Anyway, there's a second animated series about to go in production, all I know is that Kate Mulgrew is going to be in it, its called Star Trek Prodigy and its going to be on Nickelodeon, so read into that what you will.

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On the Disco front, I wonder if its seasons three will similar to TNG's season three where the stories finally found the mark and it starts to come together a bit more.

 

[danny la rouge]

As an aside for Trekkies. My 9 year-old would probably like it, and all or most of the series are on Netflix, including the original. Which series, in your opinion, would be best?

I think 9-year-olds will find anything before Disco very old fashioned and slow moving. People have nostalgia for the ones they saw at the time. Something that seemed groundbreaking 30 years ago isn’t necessarily all that now.

I have loved TOS since I was a kid, but I’m not going to claim that a kid nowadays will be enthralled. It depends entirely on the kid.

I’d go with the suggestion of introducing the best episodes.

 

[DotCommunist]

Is it just me but is a plot of the basic plot of Stars Wars Discovery nicked from Andromeda Ascendent (Roddenberry's other sci-fi series)?. The Federation/Systems Commonwealth has fallen and galaxy is now basically the wild west with spaceships.
However the Andromeda Ascendent/Discovery a ship from the past has survived and Cmdr Burnham/Captain Hunt has sworn to bring back the good old days and restart civilisation.
Enjoyed it though not the most thoughtful of TV scifi but the show moved along at a decent clip, cliched story notwithstanding.

I've not watched yet but I d/l'd the first ep based on an article that made this comparison, I had time for Andromeda, bit cheesy but good.

 

[danny la rouge]

By the way, I don’t get the Burnham hate at all. I’m obviously not seeing the same thing. And blaming Martin-Green for directing decisions you don’t like is bizarre.

 

[strung out]

By the way, I don’t get the Burnham hate at all. I’m obviously not seeing the same thing. And blaming Martin-Green for directing decisions you don’t like is bizarre.

Me either - I'm not a huge fan of Discovery for all kinds of reasons, but the casting/acting has been great and I think Sonequa Martin-Green is absolutely brilliant. Something a bit suspicious about the hate she gets I think...

 

[donkyboy]

Signs of life - screams for joy like a banshee (could've been a single-cell amoeba or Tribbles lol)

For a person raised on VULCAN she sure is highly emotional.

Most illogical.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Signs of life - screams for joy like a banshee (could've been a single-cell amoeba or Tribbles lol)

For a person raised on VULCAN she sure is highly emotional.

Most illogical.

How dare she show any emotion!

 

[Wilf]

By the way, I don’t get the Burnham hate at all.

I like the fact he took the government on but he should have done more to push the circuit breaker. Oh....

 

[Dandred]

Looking forward to more of this.

 

[Ax^]

aye don't get the hate its aleast more star trekky that the way the other recent material has been

instead of blowing up planets and almost borg related problems

its about building the federation and exploring a new universe

 

[agricola]

By the way, I don’t get the Burnham hate at all. I’m obviously not seeing the same thing. And blaming Martin-Green for directing decisions you don’t like is bizarre.

I don't - in Trek terms her character is better written than anyone in Enterprise or Voyager and she's done really well with it. I especially liked the way she was clearly completely lost in the mirror universe during S1.

That said, that speech of hers at the end of season 1 was one of the most cringeworthy scenes ever filmed.

 

[danny la rouge]

That said, that speech of hers at the end of season 1 was one of the most cringeworthy scenes ever filmed.

The writing and direction have at times tipped too far into mawkish. But none of that is Martin-Green’s fault. I think she’s terrific. And I’m very optimistic about S3.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I don't - in Trek terms her character is better written than anyone in Enterprise or Voyager and she's done really well with it. I especially liked the way she was clearly completely lost in the mirror universe during S1.

That said, that speech of hers at the end of season 1 was one of the most cringeworthy scenes ever filmed.

She's as good as any character the franchise has seen

 

[agricola]

She's as good as any character the franchise has seen

I wouldn't go that far - almost all of the DS9 main cast were much better characters, but then again that was the best show of the lot. In fact I wouldn't even say she was the best character in Discovery (I thought Lorca was).

 

[donkyboy]

yeah. way over the top with that. DS9 had much better cast hands down. Garak was superb.

 

[Reno]

Another thumbs up for the characters on DS9 and especially the female ones. It was the first time Star Trek managed to come up with complex and interesting women among its main cast, which were more than eye candy or romantic interest for the captain.

I liked the actress who plays Burnham on The Walking Dead, but one reason why I couldn't get into Discovery was because I found her a frustrating and irritating character. She struck me as a shallow amalgam of "strong woman" tropes who mostly just antagonises others. I watched most of season 1 but never made it to the end.

 

[agricola]

Another thumbs up for the characters on DS9 and especially the female ones. It was the first time Star Trek managed to come up with complex and interesting women among its main cast, which were more than eye candy or romantic interest for the captain.

Indeed - in fact its difficult to think of a badly written character amongst the main cast. Even someone like Winn was a cut above the usual enemy, with the show carefully and patiently showing that despite all the things she (and Bajor) had been through, her politics and beliefs and whatever she was basically just a horrible, unredeemable person.

 

[ruffneck23]

Enjoyed this weeks again , a nice partner to last weeks opener

 

[danny la rouge]

Argh! I’m away in the land of no WiFi and forgot to download this!

 

[T & P]

Enjoyed this weeks again , a nice partner to last weeks opener

I didn’t dislike last week’s per se, but this was sooo much better IMO. Fantastic episode, great combination of pace, action and plot. More like this, please

 

[mwgdrwg]

This was much better. Less Burnham and more Tilly. Also, the sarky wise-cracks from the new engineer lady were funny. I also loved her toolbox-chair.

 

[agricola]

A bit torn on that -

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Liked the Saru / Tilly bits, especially the bit where the lad in the bar was going on about programmable material to a clearly befuddled Tilly, and the start which was quite exciting. However the bit where Saru made Georgiou not kill that bloke seemed a bit daft (especially given what we were told he'd done, what we had seen he'd done, and what Saru then did (ie: hand him over to either be killed or to disappear so he could reappear in a later episode to take his revenge)), the Stamets bit in the tube was needlessly heroic (as everything came back to life when he fixed one bit) and I think the writers need to understand what the word "parasitic" actually means.

My least favourite bit though was the new engineer taking the piss out of that bloke shovelling bits into the bucket; I don't want to go on about Roddenberry and the ethos of Starfleet or whatever but that was really jarring, as to a lesser extent was the later bit with the officer who asked her what Stamets was doing. If they are going to show her as that (ie: a dick) then not sure why they wanted to show all the sass and sarcasm, or show how she had back pain etc.

All in all, I preferred the first episode by quite a long way.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Also, the sarky wise-cracks from the new engineer lady were funny.

Tig Notaro. Think I probably mentioned this way earlier in the thread during Season 2, but I really recommend her own show, One Mississippi - it only got 2 seasons, which are both on Amazon Prime, but it was a really excellent, funny, heartfelt show inspired by her own experiences with breast cancer.

 

[SpookyFrank]

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Liked the Saru / Tilly bits, especially the bit where the lad in the bar was going on about programmable material to a clearly befuddled Tilly, and the start which was quite exciting. However the bit where Saru made Georgiou not kill that bloke seemed a bit daft (especially given what we were told he'd done, what we had seen he'd done, and what Saru then did (ie: hand him over to either be killed or to disappear so he could reappear in a later episode to take his revenge)), the Stamets bit in the tube was needlessly heroic (as everything came back to life when he fixed one bit) and I think the writers need to understand what the word "parasitic" actually means.

My least favourite bit though was the new engineer taking the piss out of that bloke shovelling bits into the bucket; I don't want to go on about Roddenberry and the ethos of Starfleet or whatever but that was really jarring, as to a lesser extent was the later bit with the officer who asked her what Stamets was doing. If they are going to show her as that (ie: a dick) then not sure why they wanted to show all the sass and sarcasm, or show how she had back pain etc.

Would 'clean up on aisle 5' mean anything to these post-scarcity future types? Do they still have minimum wage supermarket cleaning minions, or for that matter any supermarkets at all in a world with replicators?