Star Trek: Discovery

[Vintage Paw]

I like this version.

 

[T & P]

I’m obviously a bit thick or not paying enough attention, but could someone explain to me this about Lorca

Spoiler

Was that evil Lorca from the beginning of the series then? If so, how and when did he switch places with good Lorca?

 

[donkyboy]

One thing to also note: this mirror lorca might explain the female security chief, Landry, in those early episodes. she got a lot of complaints online about acting extremely aggressively. I guess she came over from the Mirror Universe with Lorca......

 

[Vintage Paw]

My speculation was that our Lorca was replaced at some indeterminate point before the series began. I guess he killed him, because where would he store him/keep him hostage otherwise? We don't fully understand how Lorca got to our universe in the first place, and yes Landry may well have been part of his crew because she really was un-Starfleet-like (I was glad when she died). We don't have a full timeline for Lorca's past exploits, but I expect we'll find out more now in the next couple of episodes.

It will be interesting if Lorca succeeds in deposing the Emperor and the next season sees us back in our universe with Burnham as captain of the Disco (or maybe Saru as captain and her as number one?), and with Lorca as mirror Emperor, to be revisited in future storylines.

 

[donkyboy]

I just hope it doesn't go the way of Lost. Building more and more complex threads that never resolve themselves satisfactorily

 

[Vintage Paw]

I don't think it will. It's pretty easy to leave Lorca in the mirror universe, as a go-to adversary when and if they need one in the future.

Focus now will be on the immediate aftermath of finding out who Lorca really is (including whether he succeeds in Coup Part Two), how Burnham et al deal with it, and whatever is going on with the spore drive and mirror Stamets. If the spore forest on the ship is dead now, that might be how they get around the awkward issue of the drive not being a thing in the rest of Star Trek. But of course they still have to get home. I don't think we're going to see a Voyager type situation, where they are abandoned away from home for the entire series (series in the American sense, i.e. for all the seasons, the entirety of the run). So they will get back, because we still have the Klingon war to deal with. Perhaps they have enough processed spore stuff in those capsules to get them back, and no more after that. Or perhaps they'll have to find another way entirely to return. Interphasic space (or whatever it was called) sends people mad, so it can't be that, unless they find another way. But we still don't know what mirror Stamets' deal is. There's more to come on the spore drive stuff. Definitely.

 

[agricola]

Also, one thing I've been thinking about all day at work:

Spoiler

did Burnham eat mirror Saru?

 

[donkyboy]

could be. explains why she was hesitant.

 

[DexterTCN]

Also, one thing I've been thinking about all day at work:

Spoiler

did Burnham eat mirror Saru?

Yup. Georgiou got her to pick dinner.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Not seen the latest episode but I'm too confused by all this. And the characters are crap imo. Don't care about them, can't emotionally invest in them. Will likely keep watching but I don't really rate it very highly.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Also, one thing I've been thinking about all day at work:

Spoiler

did Burnham eat mirror Saru?

Yup. Georgiou got her to pick dinner.

Spoiler

Not sure it was clear it was Saru, might just have been a random Kelpien

edit: it was definitely the one she picked from the line-up, just wasn't clear (to me, at least) that it was Saru she picked.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Mmm, Kelpian ganglian with fava beans and a nice chianti.

 

[cybershot]

One thing to also note: this mirror lorca might explain the female security chief, Landry, in those early episodes. she got a lot of complaints online about acting extremely aggressively. I guess she came over from the Mirror Universe with Lorca......

Pretty sure she was shown in the 'next time on....' clip, so not so sure on that.

 

[SpookyFrank]

*Big reveal* *montage of flashback clips from previous episodes with all the easter eggs teasing the big reveal* *other characters look shocked* is one of my least favourite tropes. Can't think of an example of it being done well.

 

[Steel Icarus]

*Big reveal* *montage of flashback clips from previous episodes with all the easter eggs teasing the big reveal* *other characters look shocked* is one of my least favourite tropes. Can't think of an example of it being done well.

The Usual Suspects. Sort of.

 

[DotCommunist]

Sherlock got away with it once or twice before it got old

 

[Lord Camomile]

*Big reveal* *montage of flashback clips from previous episodes with all the easter eggs teasing the big reveal* *other characters look shocked* is one of my least favourite tropes. Can't think of an example of it being done well.

Yup, that's sort of what I was talking about when I said upthread the reveal could have been done better. Just seemed a bit lazy, and stuff like "that's the only biological difference" seemed a bit unnecessary and heavy-handed.

The Usual Suspects. Sort of.

^ That.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Sherlock got away with it once or twice before it got old

This statement is true of absolutely everything about Sherlock though.

 

[DexterTCN]

Spoiler

Not sure it was clear it was Saru, might just have been a random Kelpien

edit: it was definitely the one she picked from the line-up, just wasn't clear (to me, at least) that it was Saru she picked.

I checked. Certainly looks very much like him.

Hard to tell without barbecue sauce, obviously.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I thought it was Saru. I guess we'll know when she has to meet up with our Saru again. Awwwwwkward.

 

[donkyboy]

*Big reveal* *montage of flashback clips from previous episodes with all the easter eggs teasing the big reveal* *other characters look shocked* is one of my least favourite tropes. Can't think of an example of it being done well.

i never tire of this.

 

[DotCommunist]

two disturbing emperor lines:
'Have my ganglia'
'he groomed you'

 

[trabuquera]

Even when I'm paying enough attention to follow the mirror-universe shenanigans, I can't understand how the good-masquerading-as-evil Burnham isn't just detected straight away by ALL the evil-universe evildoers who were already perfectly ready to kill evil-Burnham.. "Oh I've just dropped into a parallel reality where my words, behaviour, reactions, affect and accessible knowledge are completely different, but people will be totally convinced by This Face" - ??? You don't get to be an evil Emperor without knowing how to read your enemies' true emotions, so surely all that gagging and emoting over a dinner of perfectly good ganglia would have tipped Georghiu off that something wasn't quite right - and with her supposed 'daughter' at that?

 

[rekil]

I liked how she folded immediately at the merest whiff of agonizer, told the space nazi everything she could think of, then offered to collaborate. Whatever happened to name, rank and serial number.

 

[Crispy]

I liked how she folded immediately at the merest whiff of agonizer, told the space nazi everything she could think of, then offered to collaborate. Whatever happened to name, rank and serial number.

Emperor Georgiou is just a troubled soul who's never been loved. Burnham is obviously playing by the Paddington Bear school of diplomacy, finding the good in people and letting it out with reciprocal trust. That's how the Federation wins.

 

[DexterTCN]

I liked how she folded immediately at the merest whiff of agonizer, told the space nazi everything she could think of, then offered to collaborate. Whatever happened to name, rank and serial number.

That tells you about the agoniser then.

 

[donkyboy]

another good episode.

good cliff hanger to end on.

 

[ruffneck23]

Cool , going to watch this on the way home

 

[ruffneck23]

That was great , loving this series

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I've been watching Enterprise. About 5 eps into it.....does anything actually happen (like is there any real action adventure)? it's all been very gentle and nice so far.