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Star Trek: Discovery

When I talked about the spore drive I meant that mirror Lorca developed it with mirror Stamets in the mirror universe and jumped over when the coup fucked up, which is why no one could find him. Then he knew to get our Stamets to develop it over here so he could get back again.

It might work differently over in the mirror universe, since finding the tardigrade seemed to be a bit of a chance occurrence and it was that that kickstarted things. But it explains why he wanted it on the ship if he figured it was a way to get the spore drive online.

It's difficult atm to speculate what happened when he first jumped through to our universe. Maybe he jumped through individually, without a crew and a big ship, if their spore tech was different in some way to ours. And then made it his mission to track down our Lorca and do away with him so as to take up his place and get on the spore drive research asap to get him back again. And yes, all that happened before we met Lorca.
What I don't get is why he would want to go back? It's not as though he is going back with some massive advantage that will let him win this time. He has one ship and crew against an empire.
 
What I don't get is why he would want to go back? It's not as though he is going back with some massive advantage that will let him win this time. He has one ship and crew against an empire.

But he has Burnham and the Discovery, cutting edge tech and our version of the mirror universe's badass captain. He wants to be Emperor, I'd say anyone with their sights set on that in the mirror universe must be pretty driven, even if partly from the point of batshit insanery.
 
ah cannot be every other revel has been telegraphed well in advance

don't think the writers are that sneaky

:hmm:
 
What I don't get is why he would want to go back? It's not as though he is going back with some massive advantage that will let him win this time. He has one ship and crew against an empire.
That ship can wipe out anything when it's running properly. Single-handedly was winning the war against the Klingons.
 
Did not really help the USS Gagarin, Hoover or muroc even with Full functionally

Maybe winning a whole war on it own would be a little much

Disco is a science ship not a battle crusier
 
Did not really help the USS Gagarin, Hoover or muroc even with Full functionally

Maybe winning a whole war on it own would be a little much

Disco is a science ship not a battle crusier
They didn't have a spore drive, did they?
 
Discovery could not save them even with a spore drive is my point

The whole point of the spore drive is to go where the Klingon fleet isn't, so it is war-winning technology. Captain Killy has probably been using it to tribble-bomb Klingon colony worlds.
 
did they not choose to scan the Klingon cloak as that was the war winning technology after they lost the 3 previously mentioned star ships

:hmm:

Captain Killy has probably been using it to tribble-bomb Klingon colony worlds.

also now that you mention it was Vog around Lorca Tribble...

might of been sloppy writing if he was

:hmm:
 
did they not choose to scan the Klingon cloak as that was the war winning technology after they lost the 3 previously mentioned star ships

:hmm:
Yes. But they chose not to run coz they were protecting the planet, they'd been ordered to leave. They used the spore drive to figure out the cloaking, hacked it then blew the ship(s) up.
 
they blew up one ship which itself was ancient but thought it was invisible so had its shield down..

think the discovery would be made short work of if overwhelmed by numbers

surprise attack aside the ship was not sent to the front lines because its not a warship
 
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also now that you mention it was Vog around Lorca Tribble...

might of been sloppy writing if he was

:hmm:

No. The tribble was, we generally assumed, Chekhov's Gun. It's certainly one of the things that added to the "oh yeah, Tyler is so Voq" for me—I was convinced we'd get a scene with him being rumbled by it. That's what makes it all the more amusing—the tribble was a total red herring.
 
I'd say a fully-functioning spore drive would be pretty damned handy if you wanted to overthrow an Emperor. Especially considering no one is ever supposed to see her. Security must be tighter than a duck's arse. A spore drive would be super handy indeed.
 
I'd say a fully-functioning spore drive would be pretty damned handy if you wanted to overthrow an Emperor. Especially considering no one is ever supposed to see her. Security must be tighter than a duck's arse. A spore drive would be super handy indeed.

Especially if the Emperor's ship is the Defiant, which is at least a decade more advanced than anything else and which probably has a cloaking device by now.
 
whoa whoa whoa what's all this stuff about Lorca?
The Voq/Tyler bit was obvious from the outset - massively telegraphed.
but I failed to spot anything about any evil Lorcas. What? How? He did smile weirdly at the end, granted, but how are people getting that he's from a mirror universe? He's ruthless, but what else?
 
whoa whoa whoa what's all this stuff about Lorca?
The Voq/Tyler bit was obvious from the outset - massively telegraphed.
but I failed to spot anything about any evil Lorcas. What? How? He did smile weirdly at the end, granted, but how are people getting that he's from a mirror universe? He's ruthless, but what else?
A few episodes ago he looked in the mirror and his reflection stayed there after he left.
 
Care to voice a slightly fuller opinion? Not star trek as opposed to all the other series before, which were so similar.
I don't think it's that controversial an opinion - it's got the lowest audience approval rating of any Star Trek series on rotten tomatoes, only 55%. The 'twists' are so obviously telegraphed that there are barely any surprises, and the lack of any continuity with the already established Star Trek universe just grates on me more and more with each passing episode.

I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but if you compare this against other contemporary sci-fi on TV at the moment like The Expanse, this pales in comparison.
 
I don't think it's that controversial an opinion - it's got the lowest audience approval rating of any Star Trek series on rotten tomatoes, only 55%. The 'twists' are so obviously telegraphed that there are barely any surprises, and the lack of any continuity with the already established Star Trek universe just grates on me more and more with each passing episode.

I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but if you compare this against other contemporary sci-fi on TV at the moment like The Expanse, this pales in comparison.

I think the Rotten Tomatoes thing is a bit of a red herring. There are very few series that come with the baggage that a new Star Trek series does. People who review The Expanse (for example) on Rotten Tomatoes are people who've mostly enjoyed it enough to sit through the whole thing and write a review. The 45% negative reviews of Discovery will mostly be TOS, TNG and DS9 fans who are upset at the lack of Kirk, Picard or Sisko. This is currently the fastest moving thread in the U75 tv & film forum, suggesting that a lot of people are watching and enjoying it. I'm not sure what else a tv programme can aspire to other than to be widely watched and enjoyed.
 
I don't think it's that controversial an opinion - it's got the lowest audience approval rating of any Star Trek series on rotten tomatoes, only 55%. The 'twists' are so obviously telegraphed that there are barely any surprises, and the lack of any continuity with the already established Star Trek universe just grates on me more and more with each passing episode.

I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but if you compare this against other contemporary sci-fi on TV at the moment like The Expanse, this pales in comparison.

Isnt that a criticism of the quality rather than its inherent star trekness. There is continuity of estabished star trek universe as well.
 
Isnt that a criticism of the quality rather than its inherent star trekness. There is continuity of estabished star trek universe as well.
To me it's unrecognisable as something that will become the Original Series and then The Next Generation. They've changed too much of the continuity, visually it doesn't look like Star Trek, and it's lost all of the optimism that every Star Trek series has had up to now.
 
To me it's unrecognisable as something that will become the Original Series and then The Next Generation. They've changed too much of the continuity, visually it doesn't look like Star Trek, and it's lost all of the optimism that every Star Trek series has had up to now.

My mate has this problem, and I tell him to just let it fucking go.

It's 2018, you can't make a show now and make it look like something from the 1950s. Technology has moved on in the real world, we just have to accept the subtle changes and move on and use our imaginations to fill in the blanks. It's TV at the end of the day.

However, it does annoy me they decided to do another prequel. Trek needs to move on beyond Kirk and co, and even Picard. Let's move on, another 80+ years from TNG. Let's deal with the aftermath of Romulus destruction in the prime timeline just before Spock jumped into the Kelvin timeline. New species, new tech. That's what I really hoped for when they announced a new series.
 
My mate has this problem, and I tell him to just let it fucking go.

It's 2018, you can't make a show now and make it look like something from the 1950s. Technology has moved on in the real world, we just have to accept the subtle changes and move on and use our imaginations to fill in the blanks. It's TV at the end of the day.

However, it does annoy me they decided to do another prequel. Trek needs to move on beyond Kirk and co, and even Picard. Let's move on, another 80+ years from TNG. Let's deal with the aftermath of Romulus destruction in the prime timeline just before Spock jumped into the Kelvin timeline. New species, new tech. That's what I really hoped for when they announced a new series.
If they'd set this 20 or 30 years ahead of DS9 and Voyager, I'd have been much more fine with it. Also, Kelvin timeline is shit. Just tell a story in the universe that already exists and stop fucking about with alternate timelines and mirror universes.
 
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