DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm not seeing how lorca is evil lorca, when would the switch have taken place?
Star Trek: Discovery
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Vintage Paw
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He used spore drive tech via his Stamets to get there in the first place after the coup (it was his backup plan in case it went wrong, which it did). He killed real Lorca, slipped into his place seamlessly.
Remember the split-second screenshot of the list of jumps in the episode before the xmas break? One of them had Lorca's name next to it. Lorca inputted something to make sure Stamets took him back to the mirror universe.
Remember the split-second screenshot of the list of jumps in the episode before the xmas break? One of them had Lorca's name next to it. Lorca inputted something to make sure Stamets took him back to the mirror universe.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
I've figured he was mirror Lorca for a couple of episodes now, but at first I thought he was perhaps good and was trying to undermine the Empire, but that last scene with the Emperor and that almost-grin on his face... nah, he's evil.
Vintage Paw
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Here's that readout again:
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
nah man, you don't get to be good by killing Ming the Merciless if you just want to be Ming the Merciless 2
bemused
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I'm waiting for the inevitable time travel lark.
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
Or shoehorning the Borg into it. Enterprise managed it, so I'm pretty sure STD will.
Actually don't mind too much (even if it doesn't fit into the timelines established/ruined) as I do like a bit of Borg in my Trek...
ruffneck23
front left
Really enjoyed last night's episode
bemused
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They need a way to bring folks back at some point.
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
A Q might be nice and nostalgic
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Trouble is if you miss these little details you're missing half the point of the show. I didn't pick up on the Voq/Tyler thing because by the time Voq had that conversation with the other Klingon about 'losing everything' I was bored stupid of all the ponderous Klingon dialogue scenes and wasn't paying attention. Lorca's been a dick the whole time so trying to figure out when he may or may not have turned evil or whatever is too much effort.
I wish they'd just tell a story properly tbh. The stand-alone episodes have mostly been fairy poor, and stringing clever little story arc breadcrumbs through a bunch of mediocre plots is not how to make a great show. I'm almost surprised Steven Moffat isn't on the writing team.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
michael at the start mentions that 'even the light here is different'
Lorca likes to sit in the dark cos his eyes are allegedly a bit fucked.
maybe.
Lorca likes to sit in the dark cos his eyes are allegedly a bit fucked.
maybe.
ruffneck23
front left
good call !! yeah he does seem to use the eye thing a lotmichael at the start mentions that 'even the light here is different'
Lorca likes to sit in the dark cos his eyes are allegedly a bit fucked.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
And is there anything to the discussion between Lorca and Michael when he wanted to blow them all to hell but she wanted to do 'the Starfleet thing'? How would that fit into his coup plans?
(I'll be honest, I'm usually doing something else while I watch these so salient details will often pass me by
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(I'll be honest, I'm usually doing something else while I watch these so salient details will often pass me by
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Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
michael at the start mentions that 'even the light here is different'
Lorca likes to sit in the dark cos his eyes are allegedly a bit fucked.
That is top class detectivering.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
I do wonder if that will be one of the things that reveals him. Someone will say "wait, you're not having any problems with your eyes in this universe 
".
".
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
He had problems with his eyes during his first scene on screen, so that would mean he has always been bad Lorca (during this series) and good Lorca was possibly wiped out with his crew when the Buran went down. Maybe Bad Lorca is responsible for the Buran going down.
I dunno. I'm new to all this stuff.
I dunno. I'm new to all this stuff.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Aye, sorry, I may have misunderstood but that was my understanding of the theory: we've never seen Good Lorca on screen, only Bad Lorca.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I thought someone up thread was saying bad lorca jumped through using the spore drive. I've probably got it wrong though, cos I've no idea what I am talking about.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Ah, yes, they did, and that confused me
If current Lorca is Bad Lorca, it obviously begs the question "how'd he get to the other universe?", to which I think the current best guess is something to do with the Defiant?
sleaterkinney
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Can we have a separate thread for future plots?. This thread's evil twin?
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
When I talked about the spore drive I meant that mirror Lorca developed it with mirror Stamets in the mirror universe and jumped over when the coup fucked up, which is why no one could find him. Then he knew to get our Stamets to develop it over here so he could get back again.
It might work differently over in the mirror universe, since finding the tardigrade seemed to be a bit of a chance occurrence and it was that that kickstarted things. But it explains why he wanted it on the ship if he figured it was a way to get the spore drive online.
It's difficult atm to speculate what happened when he first jumped through to our universe. Maybe he jumped through individually, without a crew and a big ship, if their spore tech was different in some way to ours. And then made it his mission to track down our Lorca and do away with him so as to take up his place and get on the spore drive research asap to get him back again. And yes, all that happened before we met Lorca.
It might work differently over in the mirror universe, since finding the tardigrade seemed to be a bit of a chance occurrence and it was that that kickstarted things. But it explains why he wanted it on the ship if he figured it was a way to get the spore drive online.
It's difficult atm to speculate what happened when he first jumped through to our universe. Maybe he jumped through individually, without a crew and a big ship, if their spore tech was different in some way to ours. And then made it his mission to track down our Lorca and do away with him so as to take up his place and get on the spore drive research asap to get him back again. And yes, all that happened before we met Lorca.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I think Colonel Mustard did it in the Library with the Lead Pipe
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
in the jeffries tube with the modulated phaser array
Vintage Paw
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Don't mock The Speculation Process™®©
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Didn't he say his eyes had been injured when the Buran went down though (which would imply medical treatment that the medical staff on Discovery would be aware of)? Also with regards to the deliberate jump he made, it was implied that he was going to lose command of the Discovery when he returned to that starbase - his jump could just have been him trying to do anything to stay in command (just like he did when he encouraged that Admiral to go off to her almost-doom).
I am not saying the speculation about him being the Mirror universe version of himself is wrong, I just like the idea that in a utopian future like that of the Federation there are still people like him around.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
one of the reasons I actually really like having *detective story* in an unusual social situation is cos it shows you more of the time and place than it even does the murder mystery. As a framing device it always wins me over. Foyle's War ffs. But its good. Meivilles City&The City. Because the investigation itself naturally leads to exposition with no forcing it. The only real thief-taker in star trek is Odo, and his comedy exploits foiling quark are not quite the same thing. This is why there should be a Section 31 spin off. We know of course that the Federation has prison colonies, humane ones with fair trial etc but what about the real badness within the heart of man? Section 31 wetwork. I'd watch the shit out of it.
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