Spanish Political News

[Tankus]

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[Sue]

My partner is Spanish ( not Catalan). Been watching footage of demos with her. One in Madrid opposing referendum and Catalan independence. She pointed out to me the flags and song they were singing was from the Franco period. Points out to me people giving Franco salutes.

As she said some of this goes back to Civil War. Catalan nationalists fought on republican side in Civil War. Franco suppressed Catalan language and culture. I think she supports referendum as those opposing it are the heirs to Franco. Her family were on Republican side in Civil War. Socialist not CP or anarchist.

She says in Spsin issues like Catalan nationalism are still affected by legacy of Civil War. Politicians on the right are often from Francoist families.

I was watching with her some of the demos on TV leading up to the vote. She said in one they were chanting slogan from the Spanish Civil War. Supporting the Catalans.

So what Im saying is that there is a background to what's been happening.

The Guardia Civil in her view were behaving like Francoist police.

I don't think my partner wants Spain broken up. But thinks the Spanish state is still behaving with Catalan nationalism like Franco did.

Heard from my Basque friends earlier. They say people there are angry and frustrated but not really surprised by the actions of the Government/GC. Which says quite a lot about how they're generally viewed in those parts.

 

[butchersapron]

This is how article 155 works:

El País used that phrase as its front page headline on Saturday. "Where we don't want to go" is being interpreted as a veiled reference to Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution. But what, exactly, is it?

Two years ago in 2015, Spain's then Foreign Secretary, José Manuel García Margallo (Popular Party) said during a TV interview that dusting off Article 155 would be politically explosive in Spain: "It is obvious that there is a [possible] legal reaction, which is suspending home rule, but that is an atomic bomb".

Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution outlines how the central government in Madrid would suspend home rule or regional government in one of Spain's 17 autonomous communities. It has never been used and only contains the following two points.

"1. If an autonomous community [Spanish region] were not to fulfil the duties imposed upon it under the Constitution or other laws, or were to act in a manner that gravely attacked the general interest of Spain, the government, having first notified the First Minister of the autonomous community and, in if no reply were received, with an absolute majority in the Senate, may adopt the measures necessary to oblige that [region] to forcibly comply with said duties or to protect the aforementioned general interest."

"2. To execute the measures foreseen in the previous section, the government may give instructions to all of the authorities in the autonomous communities."

 

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[Wilf]

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Fucking cunts.

 

[Gramsci]

Heard from my Basque friends earlier. They say people there are angry and frustrated but not really surprised by the actions of the Government/GC. Which says quite a lot about how they're generally viewed in those parts.

The Basques were on the Republican side in Civil War.

My partner is 100% Spanish from near Madrid. Watching the demos leading up to be referendum she got nostalgic forr Spain.Dont do demos here like in Spain. It was interesting to hear her views as she is neither Basque or Catalan. Her family being socialists ( grandfather imprisoned by Franco) they aren't big on nationalism. But support right of self determination for a people against the right wing nationalism of the heirs of Franco.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Franco would be giving the thumbs up and lol emojies for the sterling work his boys in black have been doing today.If he was alive and on social media obviously

 

[Raheem]

I'll bet my house they're not.

 

[salem]

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I'm pretty sure that picture is from around the time of the occupy stuff in Plaza de Catalunya a few years ago.

 

[Gramsci]

Franco would be giving the thumbs up and lol emojies for the sterling work his boys in black have been doing today.If he was alive and on social media obviously

Precisely what my Spanish partner said today looking at the footage of them trying to break there way into polling stations.

 

[DaveCinzano]

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I'll bet my house they're not.

I'm pretty sure that picture is from around the time of the occupy stuff in Plaza de Catalunya a few years ago.

Appears to date from May 2011:

>Las porras no van a parar el Movimiento 15 de Mayo. Brutal desalojo de la acampada de Barcelona

 

[Anudder Oik]

It's been a really long day, full of tension and emotion. Was on watch at a polling station all day (12 hours). Wife, one of the first to vote. There were loads of problems with the voting app used, which kept getting cut by state hackers, again and again, so people couldn't vote in the college. Then it was up again and people were let in in groups of 10. When they came out everyone applauded. Some firefighters arrived and everyone sang. "They will always be on our side".

We expected to be attacked as the roving convoys of up to 15 police vans were tracked as they went from college to college. The shout would go up, they're outside such and such place. They came within 80 metres of us but the whole convoy veered away. People ran to make barricades. The next polling station, 500m away, was attacked. Plastic bullets were fired, heads cut open and the ballot boxes captured. I went down the hill to see and there was some kind of international delegation interviewing very upset people. There is a video of the injured guy getting attacked again. It was there.

There was a great feeling of camaraderie today. Conversations striking up everywhere and people comforting each other and making friends, passing on the constant information and showing each other videos. Today will never be forgotten in Catalonia. There is no going back. Independence this week.

They injured 844 people, but they lost.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm pretty sure that picture is from around the time of the occupy stuff in Plaza de Catalunya a few years ago.

The one the hero mossos broke up?

 

[Anudder Oik]

Small village expells spanish police, peacefully, then goes ahead with the vote.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The one the hero mossos broke up?

At the polling station that was attacked near me today, a lot of people were screaming at the mossos afterwards for standing by while the spanish police openly abused people. The mossos have in the past had a violent track record but are now widely praised. People expected more of them today. 7 Judges are to investigate their apparent lack of zeal in dealing with the "illegal" referendum, while one will investigate the 844 abuses by the spanish police.

People wanted them to intervene today but they were thin on the ground.

 

[butchersapron]

The mossos have in the past had a violent track record but are now widely praised.

Just like that? And it's done?

Because it was as citizens they have brutalised the catalan working class for years. Now they defend them as catalans. What happens when they become catalan citizens?

 

[salem]

The one the hero mossos broke up?

I'm not sure if that's meant to be a snide comment at me? I acknowledged in my post this morning that they weren't a nice bunch, indeed I was living in the area in 2011 so am well aware of what went on hence recognising the photo.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Just like that? And it's done?

Because it was as citizens they have brutalised the catalan working class for years. Now they defend them as catalans. What happens when they become catalan citizens?

It's the feeling here at the moment. I haven't forgotten their violence.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not sure if that's meant to be a snide comment at me? I acknowledged in my post this morning that they weren't a nice bunch, indeed I was living in the area in 2011 so am well aware of what went on hence recognising the photo.

It most certainly was not salem, i did not mean anything towards you at all.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Policia Nacional arrive to terrorize a tiny village. Teargas used.



Different angle

 

[Anudder Oik]

You've gotta love the firefighters.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

This is all so fucking sad.

Europe 2017. WTF is going on?

 

[butchersapron]

The total lack of fightback has been - to me - notable. You've got to train for that. There's something in the bag for later surely.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Woman's fingers broken one by one, then thrown down the stairs, kicked and breasts grabbed by laughing cops.



Everyone passed round an audio text message of her crying and explaining it. They have the police number.

 

[Fez909]

2.2M participated in the vote

700k people could not vote because the ballot boxes were stolen by the police.

Yes: 2m (90%)

No: 176k (7,8%)

No Vote: 2%

Invalidated ballots 0.89%

There are still 15,000 still being counted right now.

 

[Anudder Oik]

The total lack of fightback has been - to me - notable. You've got to train for that. There's something in the bag for later surely.

There was a consensus for peaceful protest, people kept reminding everyone. We had rules today that nobody broke. Passive resistance. I wouldn't always agree, but I think it worked today, in favour of the Catalans.

 

[Sprocket.]

Homage to Catalonia has attained a renewal today.

 

[butchersapron]

There was a consensus for peaceful protest, people kept reminding everyone. We had rules today that nobody broke. Passive resistance. I wouldn't always agree, but I think it worked today, in favour of the Catalans.

In that case, it's good to see a broadly agreed approach being stuck too. The pay-off should be that solidarity is owed in other conditions.

 

[butchersapron]

Official (provisional) results by the Catalan Government :
Yes 2,020,144(90 %)
No 176,566(7,8 %)
Turnout: 2,262,464

 

[butchersapron]

8 million people allowed to vote i think? Or is that just people?

That number is total turnout - not proper turnout %.