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I have watched the number of police in Spain grow year by year. Apparently there are now 1 police for every 1000 residents. To put that into perspective; New York has 1 to every 10,000!

Err, the UK has around 125,000 police now, despite the cuts, with a population of around 65m, that's around 1 copper for every 500 residents.

If New York city only has 800 coppers policing 8m+ people, I am a banana.
 
Err, the UK has around 125,000 police now, despite the cuts, with a population of around 65m, that's around 1 copper for every 500 residents.

If New York city only has 800 coppers policing 8m+ people, I am a banana.

I was reading internet bullshit. NY is actually 41 to every 10,000 according to government stats.

Spain has 553 to every 10,000.

The UK has 227.
 
I sort of wish I had learned more Spanish at school (or *any* Catalonian). I have found, for example, that I get confused when they call their Fire Brigade "Bombers". :eek: :facepalm: :D
 
They are kind of failing at being "civil", I'd say. And what they are "guarding" is their right to attack people who want to vote.
Which is why I said they can fuck off. But that doesn't mean that while opposing them means falling into a different, but still reactionary, nationalism.
Fuck off I did you petty point scoring moron. Go away and play in the sand.
You did, you specifically criticised BA's point about "a very dangerous sort of nationalist unity".
 
There were 129,584 full-time equivalent (FTE) police officers in the 43 police forces of England and Wales as at 31 March 2013.
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ONS estimates population of UK 65 648 100 in 2016

That's 506.6 people per copper (or thereabouts)

Harder to say about Spain because the police system there is way more complicated.

ETA, playing statistical pedantry is more fun than watching events in Iberia just now.
 
I have never had a problem with Guardia Civil, nor with National police. In Barcelona the Mossas have been total cunts to me. I watched helplessly as they beat a guy in a wheelchair just off Placa Real once. When I protested they ran to me with batons. I get loads of shit from Spanish Policia Local/Municipal (beaten for no reason whatsoever). IME, they are dumb as fuck, and totally unaccountable for much of their actions.

Today is sickening, and very exceptional, but totally inexcusable. Someone has to be held to account. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some politicians from all over Europe start asking for punishment in some way by the EU, or European Courts.

I have watched the number of police in Spain grow year by year. Apparently there are now 1 police for every 1000 residents. To put that into perspective; New York has 1 to every 10,000! I can no longer work in Spain. Hence, I am now in Portugal. It is bliss by comparison.

I imagine the EU are going to step in somehow, but as I mentioned earlier, that is probably exactly what the Spanish establishment wants.

On the flipside I’ve been held to ransom by corrupt Guardia. Guardia are cunts, if you meet ex Guardia in Catalonia they’ll do everything they can to avoid telling you’re they’re Guardia.
 
its jaw dropping. One striking thing is that the people being battered by the riot cops are not the sort of people who would normally demonstrate, agitate or generally do stuff which will put them into confrontation with the state - and that its happening all over - riot cops marching into villages and laying into the locals. And firefighters and local cops fighting the riot police?!? I mean they can hardly say its the usual suspects/"rent-a-mob" can they?

as with trump - its shows just how fragile are the basic democratic rights that most people see as deep rooted and the "natural" state of things.

How does the spanish state row back from this?

So far there does not seem to any serious violence directed against the GC. Although the PP have tweeted a video of someone throwing a chair. Not quite up there with massed goons firing plastic bullets into peoples faces - but I suppose it will enable liberals to condemn "violence on all sides"
 
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Barcelona continued their 100% start to life in La Liga in bizarre circumstances, beating Las Palmas 3-0 at an empty Camp Nou. The Catalan club had asked for the match to be postponed due to protests in the city over Catalonia’s independence referendum, in which more than 460 people have been injured.

That request was rejected and Barcelona, threatened with a six-point deduction according to club president Josep Maria Bartomeu, took the decision to play the match behind closed doors just 20 minutes before kick-off, leaving thousands of supporters stranded outside. A statement from La Liga said the match should take place as normal because the security and safety of fans had been “guaranteed” by the Catalan police.

“We have not been able to find a way to postpone it,” Bartomeu said. “From there, all together, directors, executives and players met and we decided, exceptionally, to play the game behind closed doors. Els Mossos [the Catalan police force] told us the game could be played normally. Playing this way, with the stadium empty, the club shows its disagreement [with the decision not to postpone the game]. The league told us we would lose six points, three from today and three as a penalty.”




Barcelona 3-0 Las Palmas: La Liga – as it happened


Las Palmas had the national flag embroidered on to their match-day shirts to show their support for a united Spain while Barcelona emerged for the warmup wearing a yellow-and-red-striped shirt – the colours of the Estelada flag associated with Catalan independence. Earlier on Sunday, defender Gerard Piqué tweeted a photo of him voting in the referendum. “Together we are unstoppable defending democracy,” he said.
 
This country has done far worse. Remember the shit they got upto in Northern Ireland. Staying within England remember the brutality meted out to the miners in the 80's.

Well the British state could get away with this because it was targeted against marignal/minority groups - and wasn't being tweeted to the rest of the world whilst it was happening. Within norn iron you had half the population onside.
I don't imagine many people in Catalonia will be cheering on the Gaurdia Civil. The better comparison is probably with Ireland post 1916 - and will probably lead to a similar outcome.
 
This country has done far worse. Remember the shit they got upto in Northern Ireland. Staying within England remember the brutality meted out to the miners in the 80's.

I do remember the miners strike, yes. And I was on the receiving end on police violence more than once in those days. But here, when Scotland wanted independence, they got an election, rather than a battering from riot police.
 
Well the British state could get away with this because it was targeted against marignal/minority groups - and wasn't being tweeted to the rest of the world whilst it was happening. Within norn iron you had half the population onside.
I don't imagine many people in Catalonia will be cheering on the Gaurdia Civil. The better comparison is probably with Ireland post 1916 - and will probably lead to a similar outcome.

Yes, I social media makes a big difference. My point was just that the British state can be nastier than what we've seen today when it feels it needs to be. I'm sure the same will be true of future Catalan and Scottish states, and too.

As far as political own goals I was thinking of Easter 1916, too.
 
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