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An itsy bitsy teenie weenie piece of good news:
The Metro station in Puerta del Sol is again called Sol - which is what it should be called. For three years, in exchange for some sponsorship dosh, the station was officially called Vodafone Sol and Línea 2 was officially called Línea 2 Vodafone.
I'm glad this bollocks has been ended before it caught on. If you can rename a Metro station for sponsorship, why not other places? Jazztel Plaza Mayor? Movistar Retiro? Burger King Palacio Real? Durex Atocha? Puerta de McAlcalá?
The Metro station in Puerta del Sol is again called Sol - which is what it should be called. For three years, in exchange for some sponsorship dosh, the station was officially called Vodafone Sol and Línea 2 was officially called Línea 2 Vodafone.
I'm glad this bollocks has been ended before it caught on. If you can rename a Metro station for sponsorship, why not other places? Jazztel Plaza Mayor? Movistar Retiro? Burger King Palacio Real? Durex Atocha? Puerta de McAlcalá?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Four nights of riots in the Gracia neighbourhood of Barcelona after squatters were evicted from a former bank, where they gave free classes in catalan and Yoga. The rioters (who claim to do everything in the name of the neighbouthood/community) have burned the neighbour's cars, motorbikes and rubbish bins in a self indulgent orgy of upper middle class rebellious fakery. IMO they are a bunch of cunts (rich kids) playing at slumming it who are too stupid to figure out why it is the local populace aren't coming down into the street to support them. What really is fuckwitted about the whole thing is the support they have received from the CUP members of parliament, who should know better.
One thing is to defend workers and families against aggressive capitalism and support related occupations but it's quite another thing to stand alongside idiots after four nights of wanton destruction with no support beyond the oppressed upper middle class kids pretending to be revolutionaries for a couple of years before crawling back to mater and pater and their money.
In France there's a rebellion against attacks on workers rights, in Barcelona because there's no Yoga this week.
The price the neighbours have to pay for free yoga classes in their street
One thing is to defend workers and families against aggressive capitalism and support related occupations but it's quite another thing to stand alongside idiots after four nights of wanton destruction with no support beyond the oppressed upper middle class kids pretending to be revolutionaries for a couple of years before crawling back to mater and pater and their money.
In France there's a rebellion against attacks on workers rights, in Barcelona because there's no Yoga this week.
The price the neighbours have to pay for free yoga classes in their street
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Crusties give anarchism a bad name part 29832398239809209Four nights of riots in the Gracia neighbourhood of Barcelona after squatters were evicted from a former bank, where they gave free classes in catalan and Yoga. The rioters (who claim to do everything in the name of the neighbouthood/community) have burned the neighbour's cars, motorbikes and rubbish bins in a self indulgent orgy of upper middle class rebellious fakery. IMO they are a bunch of cunts (rich kids) playing at slumming it who are too stupid to figure out why it is the local populace aren't coming down into the street to support them. What really is fuckwitted about the whole thing is the support they have received from the CUP members of parliament, who should know better.
One thing is to defend workers and families against aggressive capitalism and support related occupations but it's quite another thing to stand alongside idiots after four nights of wanton destruction with no support beyond the oppressed upper middle class kids pretending to be revolutionaries for a couple of years before crawling back to mater and pater and their money.
In France there's a rebellion against attacks on workers rights, in Barcelona because there's no Yoga this week.
The price the neighbours have to pay for free yoga classes in their street
stethoscope
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Mason piece in yesterdays guardian about Spanish GE and rise of Podemos...
The Podemos surge is a wake-up call for the European left | Paul Mason
The Podemos surge is a wake-up call for the European left | Paul Mason
jannerboyuk
...just kids gone wild.
General election this Sunday then? The guardian sitting on the fence
The Guardian view on Spain: trying to break the political deadlock - the guardian
The Guardian view on Spain: trying to break the political deadlock | Editorial
What are the polls looking like?
The Guardian view on Spain: trying to break the political deadlock - the guardian
The Guardian view on Spain: trying to break the political deadlock | Editorial
What are the polls looking like?
Dirty War? Spain's Home Secretary accused of trying to smear Catalan politicians
Herald Scotland 22/06/16
Herald Scotland 22/06/16
Polls stopped now 3 days before elections. But looks like Podemos/IU could come second behind PP, if polls are any good last time they were off a bit iirc.
'Tracking' diario: Unidos Podemos sigue recortando distancias con el PP
After the Brexit debate maybe we can all come together as Urban Unidos 75.
'Tracking' diario: Unidos Podemos sigue recortando distancias con el PP
After the Brexit debate maybe we can all come together as Urban Unidos 75.
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JHE
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The Day of Reflection ended a couple of hours ago. Later today people vote and we'll know the results tonight.
I didn't notice people being especially reflective yesterday, but you never know. I hope people are a bit more thoughtful about which party to vote for than they have been over the last couple of days in their comments about the UK and the British people. I don't mind some of the stereotypes too much. We have probably earned our reputation for being stupid drunken hooligans, but if I had a euro for every time I have been told, confidently, ignorantly and with a tone of mind exasperation, that the UK is the only country in the world where people drive on the left, I'd have enough money to get pissed for a week.
In the last week before an election, opinion polls cannot be published, but lots of publications, especially online, don't like being told they can't publish this or that bit of news. Following some ingenious people who may or may not be in Andorra, the Spanish have found a way around this law. Instead of saying that their figures are from polls of Spanish voting intentions, the websites say the figures are about tourism in Andorra or the price of fruit in Andorra or some such thing. My favourite was about the best beaches in Andorra. It is 100% clear from the colours used and the figures given that the data is about Spanish voting intentions, percentages of the vote and projected number of seats.
My favourite site for opinion polls has adopted this joke/subterfuge. Electomanía You can find the same approach used now in El Mundo and probably lots of other places.
An example (this one's about teeshirts in Andorra):
All opinion polls that I've seen predict a result not very different from the result on December 20th, but most predict that Unidos Podemos will overtake PSOE. Some of those polls predict an overtaking in votes and seats, others in votes but not necessarily in seats, as in the example above.
PSOE has been conducting a bit of (illegal?) campaigning today for its supporters to get out and vote to defeat the predicted overtaking by Unidos Podemos. The PSOE slogan, following the Andorran fruit idea, is #sorfresa: a combination of sorpresa [surprise] and fresa [strawberry].
The most interesting of the polls suggest that the sum of Unidos Podemos seats and PSOE seats will be a majority or, if not a majority, very close to half the seats in Congress. If that is the result, Sánchez and PSOE will be under great pressure (even greater pressure) to do a deal with Unidos Podemos and a lot of that pressure will be from PSOE people. However, it remains almost as difficult as ever to see how PSOE and Unidos Podemos could do a deal. The two big stumbling blocks are (i) the question of Catalans being allowed to vote on independence and (ii) important people in PSOE, including Felipe González, who would rather cut their own noses off with a rusty penknife than do a deal with Podemos.
The other option for PSOE would be to support or allow (through abstention) the formation of a PP-based right-wing government, perhaps including Ciudadanos. That would be one way of avoiding a deal with Unidos Podemos, but it is difficult to see how PSOE could survive such a decision. A chunk of PSOE supporters would see the decision as an unforgivable betrayal and shift their votes to Unidos Podemos, the remaining anti-PP party.
I almost feel sorry for Pedro Sánchez.
I didn't notice people being especially reflective yesterday, but you never know. I hope people are a bit more thoughtful about which party to vote for than they have been over the last couple of days in their comments about the UK and the British people. I don't mind some of the stereotypes too much. We have probably earned our reputation for being stupid drunken hooligans, but if I had a euro for every time I have been told, confidently, ignorantly and with a tone of mind exasperation, that the UK is the only country in the world where people drive on the left, I'd have enough money to get pissed for a week.
In the last week before an election, opinion polls cannot be published, but lots of publications, especially online, don't like being told they can't publish this or that bit of news. Following some ingenious people who may or may not be in Andorra, the Spanish have found a way around this law. Instead of saying that their figures are from polls of Spanish voting intentions, the websites say the figures are about tourism in Andorra or the price of fruit in Andorra or some such thing. My favourite was about the best beaches in Andorra. It is 100% clear from the colours used and the figures given that the data is about Spanish voting intentions, percentages of the vote and projected number of seats.
My favourite site for opinion polls has adopted this joke/subterfuge. Electomanía You can find the same approach used now in El Mundo and probably lots of other places.
An example (this one's about teeshirts in Andorra):
All opinion polls that I've seen predict a result not very different from the result on December 20th, but most predict that Unidos Podemos will overtake PSOE. Some of those polls predict an overtaking in votes and seats, others in votes but not necessarily in seats, as in the example above.
PSOE has been conducting a bit of (illegal?) campaigning today for its supporters to get out and vote to defeat the predicted overtaking by Unidos Podemos. The PSOE slogan, following the Andorran fruit idea, is #sorfresa: a combination of sorpresa [surprise] and fresa [strawberry].
The most interesting of the polls suggest that the sum of Unidos Podemos seats and PSOE seats will be a majority or, if not a majority, very close to half the seats in Congress. If that is the result, Sánchez and PSOE will be under great pressure (even greater pressure) to do a deal with Unidos Podemos and a lot of that pressure will be from PSOE people. However, it remains almost as difficult as ever to see how PSOE and Unidos Podemos could do a deal. The two big stumbling blocks are (i) the question of Catalans being allowed to vote on independence and (ii) important people in PSOE, including Felipe González, who would rather cut their own noses off with a rusty penknife than do a deal with Podemos.
The other option for PSOE would be to support or allow (through abstention) the formation of a PP-based right-wing government, perhaps including Ciudadanos. That would be one way of avoiding a deal with Unidos Podemos, but it is difficult to see how PSOE could survive such a decision. A chunk of PSOE supporters would see the decision as an unforgivable betrayal and shift their votes to Unidos Podemos, the remaining anti-PP party.
I almost feel sorry for Pedro Sánchez.
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JHE
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But Iglesias heads an alliance which includes people - esp in Catalonia, the Basque Country, the Valencian Community, Galicia and the Balearics - for whom the principle of self-determination is key. Some of the people in those areas have from time to time reminded Podemos, and anyone else who's interested, of their independence from the Podemos leadership. Unfortunately, they are not all going to fall into line just because Iglesias wants to do a deal.
JHE
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Electomania are leaking the results so far of one of the exit polls, though there are still a few hours to go before the polls close.
Here is a (perhaps very premature) projection published on Electomania:
29,2%
121
25,5%
94
20,6%
78
13,2%
31
7,2%
26
And here is a little commentary from the same site:
In other words:
If PSOE and Unidos Podemos managed to do a deal, they would probably be able to cobble together three more votes from among the smaller parties or at least get enough abstentions from them to set up a government.
Here is a (perhaps very premature) projection published on Electomania:
And here is a little commentary from the same site:
"Los bañistas naranjas se están pasando a las playas azules, mientras que si se suman los de las playas morada y roja, están a 3 de conquistar el paseo marítimo (playa morada saca ventaja de 5-10 bañistas a la roja)."
In other words:
The orange bathers [ie, Cuidadanos] are going over to the blue beaches [ie, to PP], while the total of the purple [Unidos Podemos] and red [PSOE] beaches is just three short of winning the seaside promenade [ie, the Moncloa, the residence of the Prime Minister]. (The purple beach has 5 - 10 more bathers than the red beach.)
If PSOE and Unidos Podemos managed to do a deal, they would probably be able to cobble together three more votes from among the smaller parties or at least get enough abstentions from them to set up a government.
Threshers_Flail
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Doesn't Podemus want a reform of the EU?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Only 33% counted though. Fingers crossed.
Threshers_Flail
Well-Known Member
Nervy times in plaza reina sofia.
Fuck this we need a good news story.
Fuck this we need a good news story.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Nice things never happen. Podemos look to have last-minute flopped.
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