Should the UK have immigration controls?
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durruti02 said:
Well thanks for the link.
I've been busy. 
So a flags of convenience then, used when employers want to evade minimum wage or safety legislation and used against seafarers all over the world.
Dermot Meagher, a officer on the ship, said that:
We are prepared to stay as long as it takes,” he said. “Some of our shop stewards are locked in the engine room. But they are in constant contact and are in good spirits. They have enough supplies to last them a long time. “We have no objection to any nationality working here — but they must be paid properly and given proper conditions. All the solidarity we can get is crucial.”
I also liked the post I read by 'niclas' who paraphrases an ex-merchant seaman friend of his:
Good idea.
As for no borders...why should we have borders in the first place?
Capital sees no borders
Should International Labour?
Capital sees no borders
Should International Labour?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
anybodygotapen? said:
Ah, but without borders capital couldn't realise the same volume of profit that it does by "shopping" for cheap labour.
If labour could "follow the money" who'd be left to make trainers for 10 bob a day?
anybodygotapen? said:
Even under a utopian society there would be a need to manage things at a more local level...Which suggest some kind of borders will always be with us....
International capital and labour needs to be regulated and there should be some form of International Labour rules to stop the worst companies like Shell and Nike etc really taking the piss..
Calls for noborders are not rooted in any kind of reality...
Why so tbaldwin?tbaldwin said:
Capital seems to do pretty well out of it.
ViolentPanda said:
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Althought I have voted for controls, I believe in no borders, when parity is reached in pay structure people will be at liberty to work any where.
At the moment foriegn labour is being used, extremely cynically, by companies to drive down wages and costs for everyone, resulting in rascism rearing it's ugly head once again.
At the moment foriegn labour is being used, extremely cynically, by companies to drive down wages and costs for everyone, resulting in rascism rearing it's ugly head once again.
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Before people get carried away with the apparent "benefits" of emigrating here it should be noted that:
Britain has the worst social indicators of any nation in western Europe. The highest rate of child and pensioner poverty; the lowest paid workers working the longest hours; the most underfunded healthcare and education provision; the highest paid corporate and management executives and the highest prison population. Life expectancy for males in the poorest parts of the country are comparable to developing countries, and according to UN figures the UK holds the most onerous title of being the most violent society in the western world.
Welcome to the UK!
Britain has the worst social indicators of any nation in western Europe. The highest rate of child and pensioner poverty; the lowest paid workers working the longest hours; the most underfunded healthcare and education provision; the highest paid corporate and management executives and the highest prison population. Life expectancy for males in the poorest parts of the country are comparable to developing countries, and according to UN figures the UK holds the most onerous title of being the most violent society in the western world.
Welcome to the UK!
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Yestbaldwin said:
Hence I say to thee...why should capital have no borders yet labour should?
Is there a difference?
tbaldwin said:
And I thought that your neo fascist mutterings were no longer being tolerated.JHE said:
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MC5 said:Well thanks for the link.
So a flags of convenience then, used when employers want to evade minimum wage or safety legislation and used against seafarers all over the world.
Dermot Meagher, a officer on the ship, said that:
We are prepared to stay as long as it takes,” he said. “Some of our shop stewards are locked in the engine room. But they are in constant contact and are in good spirits. They have enough supplies to last them a long time. “We have no objection to any nationality working here — but they must be paid properly and given proper conditions. All the solidarity we can get is crucial.”
I also liked the post I read by 'niclas' who paraphrases an ex-merchant seaman friend of his:
Good idea.
i give you a link! whats yer problem!
whats interesting is not that it has not happenned before in shipping, using flags of conveniance etc but it was the reaction in Ireland where the unions and workers movement were not scared off to oppose this politically .. did you see about the demo?? .. biggest in dublin since bloody sunday i think .. we need that here .. a demo/campaign against casualisation/privatisation/importation of cheap labour
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