Saudi Arabia chosen to head human rights panel whilst sentencing citizen to crucifixion

[hash tag]

Planned killing in cold blood, probably without decent trial or right of appeal for things like not liking the Saudi Royals or speaking up for free speech. However you dress it up, it's not nice, it's not civilised.

 

[bimble]

Just learnt that the number one spot by far for state executions (by numbers per year, not per population) is China .. where you can be sentenced to death for fraud, amongst other things.

 

[Spymaster]

.... it's not nice, it's not civilised.

Perhaps not, but it's not murder, which is a legal term and must be an unlawful killing. Judicial executions, by definition, are not unlawful.

 

[Spymaster]

Just learnt that the number one spot by far for state executions (by numbers per year, not per population) is China .. where you can be sentenced to death for fraud, amongst other things.

China has long been top of the pops for executions. They do it quickly too. It's possible to be shot in the head 20 minutes after sentencing.

 

[hash tag]

We have tip toed around this barbaric regime for far too long in order to satisfy our need for oil, our need for their money and their desire for our arms. It's time, we, as a nation stood up against the likes of Saudi and stopped being hypocrites.

 

[bimble]

China has long been top of the pops for executions. They do it quickly too. It's possible to be shot in the head 20 minutes after sentencing.

Is it done in public in China ?

 

[teqniq]

We have tip toed around this barbaric regime for far too long in order to satisfy our need for oil, our need for their money and their desire for our arms. It's time, we, as a nation stood up against the likes of Saudi and stopped being hypocrites.

Fine sentiments but don't expect the UK establishment to do anything about it anytime soon. They are by and large doing very nicely out of the relationship thank you very much.

 

[coley]

We have tip toed around this barbaric regime for far too long in order to satisfy our need for oil, our need for their money and their desire for our arms. It's time, we, as a nation stood up against the likes of Saudi and stopped being hypocrites.

EVs, an HVDC to iceland and Saudi and the rest can go stuff themselves

 

[hash tag]

Executions in China are normally for "violent crimes", subject to an appeal or two and not normally in public. The Chinese, I think, have improved of late, but it's still wrong.

 

[bimble]

Not in any way trying to excuse the Saudis - at all - but it's interesting that the UK only removed the death penalty from it's legal statutes in .. 1998 (even though nobody's been hanged here since '64). Sometimes I think we talk about things as if we were generations ahead in our enlightenment when that's not really true. My gay next door neighbour remembers very well what it was like for him to be a criminal under uk law, for instance.

 

[Spymaster]

Is it done in public in China ?

No. The sentence is announced publicly but carried out at a prison. The big public executors are Saudi and Iran (Iran executes more people per capita than anyone else including children).

 

[teqniq]

Not these so this says

 

[hash tag]

In the UK, and I think a little in China, things, though not perfect but are improving. Homophobia still exists in the UK and so does racism and other things. To an extent, the USA and not killing so many offenders any more. But, don't forget, we, the UK, provide/support Saudi with arms, advice, training and stuff. We are complicit in their behaviour, a country who has been chosen to head a human rights panel. The whole thing stinks.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No. The sentence is announced publicly but carried out at a prison. The big public executors are Saudi and Iran (Iran executes more people per capita than anyone else including children).

China is nearly 100% lethal injection these days, often in the back of an execution van that tours the courts offing wrong-doers. It is still true that can happen in under an hour after your final appeal has been dismissed, but in theory the final say must now come from the supreme court in Beijing.

And the number of capital offences there are being drastically reduced so fraud will no longer be one, unless that fraud results in loss of life, i.e. Iffy building contracts.

 

[hash tag]

It's about time we made our feelings known, more publicly; I would be up for it

 

[bimble]

I have no idea whether it's preferable for executions to be done behind closed doors.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I have no idea whether it's preferable for executions to be done behind closed doors.

If you are going to have them they should be done in public. The people need to know what is being done in their name.

 

[bimble]

If you are going to have them they should be done in public. The people need to know what is being done in their name.

That's what i think too. here in Uk apparently they only moved the hangings indoors and put an end to the vast crowds who came to watch because of problems with people fighting over the bodies and other public order issues.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's what i think too. here in Uk apparently they only moved the hangings indoors and put an end to the vast crowds who came to watch because of problems with people fighting over the bodies and other public order issues.

We are rightly appalled at ISIS chopping off heads, that is what Saudi did today, 47 of them. They do this in public when the sentence is popular with the people, rapists, murderers etc. And in private when killing people who disagree with the ruling elite.

 

[hash tag]

I'm told by someone on Twitter that amnesty have put out some good tweets about the death penalty.

 

[Spymaster]

If you are going to have them they should be done in public. The people need to know what is being done in their name.

To whose advantage is that though? You're saying that as an opponent of CP in the hope that it would turn people against it.

 

[frogwoman]

According to something i read on twitter a lot of those killed were members of isis and al qaeda (might be bollocks though or lies by the saudi regime). Either way saudi arabia is facing a huge internal challenge as a result of these groups as well as more progressive movements (the women driving etc) and if course the shia minority in part of the country. The saudi monarchy is looking increasingly unstable. I'd like to see it collapse but there's the possibility we might get something even worse

 

[littlebabyjesus]

China has long been top of the pops for executions. They do it quickly too. It's possible to be shot in the head 20 minutes after sentencing.

Timing in China can be random too. Families often only find out about it afterwards.

 

[teqniq]

According to something i read on twitter a lot of those killed were members of isis and al qaeda (might be bollocks though or lies by the saudi regime)....

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Don't do this. Judicial execution is not murder and hysterically screaming that it is, detracts from other justifiable criticism.

In this case at least some of the killings are political prisoners despatched under the 'terror' banner. Labelling it judicial execution is also going the other way - lending it an unwarranted respectability.

 

[frogwoman]

thought so, the regime's policies of encouraging wahhabism have come back to haunt them , they face a serious internal problem with jihadis and isis have made several videos calling for people to rise up against them etc.

Must be hell being a shia in saudi arabia, it seems like they are barely tolerated at the best of times

 

[teqniq]

Twitter is saying lots of security services on the streets in the eastern province where most of the Shia minority live in anticipation of protests.

 

[tim]

thought so, the regime's policies of encouraging wahhabism have come back to haunt them , they face a serious internal problem with jihadis and isis have made several videos calling for people to rise up against them etc.

Must be hell being a shia in saudi arabia, it seems like they are barely tolerated at the best of times

They face a lot of hostility from the regime, but they're also often co-opted into the system. I lived there at the end of the nineties and had Sunni and Shia students.

At the end of one course I was invited out to dinner with a Shia student. We went to his house first, large comfortable but in a run-down Shia village. He pointed out the house of a government informer saying that they knew who the spies where. He was a manual worker ina factory, but could still afford servants like most Saudis. He also said that they didn't like the servants leaving the house in case they got offered a better salary with someone else. He had failed some exams at school so had had to start work at 16 at which point his family had forced him to marry, which he resented. Being a Saudi house there was a male and female section so despite visiting there was no possibility of meeting his wife or female relatives

We ate in a restraunt in a five star hotel. He had to order in English because despite being in Saudi Arabia the waiter didn't speak Arabic.

It's quite easy to be both oppressed and an oppressor.

 

[teqniq]

Iran warns Saudi Arabia it faces being 'wiped from the pages of history'

One of Iran’s most senior clerics has predicted the fall of Saudi Arabia's ruling family following the kingdom's execution of Shi’ite preacher Nimr al-Nimr.

Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami’s comments came as Iran’s foreign minister warned Saudi Arabia would pay a ‘high price’ for following policies that led to the execution of al-Nimr and 46 others for ‘terrorism offences’....

One the one hand it is all well and good for Iran to condemn the execution of the cleric but what with them being second in the top five countries that carry out executions and their appalling human rights record I can't help but think 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

To whose advantage is that though? You're saying that as an opponent of CP in the hope that it would turn people against it.

To the advantage of justice. Of course some people really are happy to watch a helpless human being killed, many who glibly state they are in favour of CP would vomit or faint if they were confronted with what the advocate.