Have you not been paying attention?
Is America heading towards dictatorship?
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's a good read. It has some flaws. It totally ignores black people, for instance.
Yes there are moments of similarity, but I don't think Trump has the establishment on his side enough to do something similar.
Take what? That Trump was Putin's preferred winner in 2016/2024? That there's evidence Russia interfered in the 2016 Presidential campaign on Trump's behalf?
'So let's start with the report that came out on January 6, 2017 when the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a document-- it was a declassified report-- two weeks before Trump took the oath of office, and the conclusions that were pulled from the CIA, the NSA, the FBI were stunning.
I quote, "We assess that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US Presidential Election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability, and potential presidency. We further assess that Putin and the Russian government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments," end quote.
That Trump is already pissed off with European leaders around their NATO contributions? That he talks about ending the Ukraine war, presumably by cutting the Ukrainians loose? That he keeps praising Putin?
That Putin keeps praising him?
Putin full of praise for ‘intelligent and experienced’ Trump after election victory
Trump has repeatedly promised to end Russia’s war in Ukraine within 24 hours
www.independent.co.uk
And that ^ is from 30 secs goggling on my phone.
Well given the 'perhaps conspiratorial thought' that 'struck' you has been widely covered all over the shop, I kind of assumed you hadn't been paying attention. Obviously I was wrong!
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Well as I say I'm wondering how far we go with it. Would Trump side with Russia over Ukraine and if so how far will he take that? If Russia takes the bits of Ukraine that it's laid claim to so far and decides to take a bit of a NATO country which side would Trump decide on? Europe has seen the US as an ally against Russia - I'm just not sure how much that is going to change.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I suppose what I'm saying is how far is trump going to take it? How much is he going to align with Putin against the decadent woke Europe which hates him so much?
“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”
hence the conspiracy theoryism
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Sure, I'll believe that. Drinking Bleach, buying Greenland, nuking hurricanes. It all makes sense.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Wouldn't that be states 51-60?
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
All those liberal Canadian states might tip the senate the wrong way, so they’ll be treated more like Puerto Rico (taxation, no representation).
Cloo
Banana for scale
I fear it will, I hope it won't. Depends how organised those Project 2025 people are, whether all the egotistical nutbags at the top turn on each other and how soon.
P2025 seems pretty much a plan to establish a theocratic dictatorship, and I don't think Trump will get behind all of it, but anyone who succeeds him might.
P2025 seems pretty much a plan to establish a theocratic dictatorship, and I don't think Trump will get behind all of it, but anyone who succeeds him might.
Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
I'm hearing lots of talk from Estonians about Putin possibly taking Estonia back. Our government is doing its best to keep NATO on side and contributing more than is required. I have a friend from Narva which is probably the most fragile border city and she says, despite the large Russophone population, no-one there wants to be in Russia. I doubt Putin would try it but you never know. Trump could do anything. Cancelling NATO protection would not be surprising.
PTK
Paul Kegan
"Personally, I'd be putting moving, or just travelling, to the US, alongside moving to China, or NK, or Russia in the fucking dumb ideas bucket."
Just travelling. Not simply moving.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yes they are, although very few people are going. I had a guy go last month, he went to the embassy for the visa, was the only punter there that day. The main routes in are Air Serbia via Belgrade, Turkish Airlines via Istanbul or Emirates via Dubai. All three carriers are gouging the fuck out of the fares too.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
2hats
Dust.
You, me (ie the average person in the street) can't visit DPRK right now. The borders are still closed from the pandemic (might be about to open shortly, but then in more limited ways than before).
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
The only believable part of that is Trump still not understanding how tariffs work
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
Even if you could visit, it would be one of those stupid official tours via China where everything would be pre-managed and you'd only see the officially sanctioned tourist stuff in Pyongyang with guides. Unless you're into that sort of thing it sounds like the biggest waste of time ever.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Work is the biggest waste of time ever, a trip to dprk pales into insignificance beside it
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I've seen a few reports of it (which may of course have come from the same source). I can quite believe that he said it, more difficult to believe he'd do it.
ska invita
back on the other side
This is the bit that I think they will go for - they keep talking about it - and which fits the OP question
From BBC summary of P2025:
"Government
Project 2025 proposes that the entire federal bureaucracy, including independent agencies such as the Department of Justice, be placed under direct presidential control - a controversial idea known as "unitary executive theory".In practice, that would streamline decision-making, allowing the president to directly implement policies in a number of areas.
The proposals also call for eliminating job protections for thousands of government employees, who could then be replaced by political appointees.
The document labels the FBI a "bloated, arrogant, increasingly lawless organization". It calls for drastic overhauls of the agency and several others, as well as the complete elimination of the Department of Education."
As I said upthread, this isnt about how much money it saves - money saving a red herring to some extent - its about consolidation of power
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Depends who you are and which part you go to.
Cloo
Banana for scale
I worry about my mum's native Slovakia if Ukraine goes to Russia, though I do get the impression Putin is more fixated on the Baltics.
2hats
Dust.
Scheduled, organised, guided tour is the only option on the table. It's pretty safe, unless you feel inclined to insult the great/dear/brilliant/etc leader.
breadandcircuse
Well-Known Member
I would not want to visit with that bastard in charge. Not necessarily because you would be in danger, but I would not be giving them my hard earned bucks . It will only encourage him to carry on as Adolf Trump with tourists visiting.
Cloo
Banana for scale
Unless you're pregnant and visiting a state where they're prepared to let you die if you become ill or have a complication.
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