cantsin
Well-Known Member
great stuff - keep voting / writing 'end poverty' on your hand / posting on here incessantly, we'll get there in no time
Russell Brand on Revolution
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great stuff - keep voting / writing 'end poverty' on your hand / posting on here incessantly, we'll get there in no time
andysays
Love and solidarity
I will keep voting and continue to do whatever I choose. Get back to your fucking booky wooky, you've nothing to say.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Awesome Wells Are anchovies/pizza big in North Korea? Is that what they do? Tbh I'm not that bothered about anchovies (not sure I've ever had anchovies!) but I like pizza. But why North Korea? Why should I go to North Korea if I don't like pizza or anchovies? What's that about?
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
I read they'd split up recently. I'd like to think she dumped him after she read his book.
cantsin
Well-Known Member
next to the man who's clocked up 1K + posts about not-very-fucking-much in month 1, it might well look that way bro !
fogbat
The Talibum
No full time job, plenty of cash for all the pizza and cabs you need.
I'm not convinced he's exerting himself.
Err, it was a joke
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Rob Newman, foppish comedian from the Mary Whitehouse Experience that had the girls swooning in the early 90s also got involved in activism later on, some friends saw him talk a few years back. Not narcissistic like Brand, and after his fame had largely waned away, but quite sincere & knowledgeable apparently.
elbows
Well-Known Member
There is some evidence by which we may judge this for ourselves. I think I watched this myself but too long ago to remember how good & accurate I thought it was.
8ball
AV REFUGEES WELCOME
Top bloke according to a mate of mine who is a carpenter and did his kitchen.
ska invita
back on the other side
i dont think thats quite right....by some strange circumstance i seem to have followed the life of RB fairly closely all along the way,,,and IIRC by his own admission he left an MTV studio one day to go on an MTV-expenses-paid shopping trip down Oxford street and happened to stumble on whatever anticapitalist carnival it was he got his kit off at that one time, attracted as he was by the vibes off it, not because he was a committed politico but because he knew a good thing when faced with it. Which is fine, but my point is his political awakening came some way down the line a bit further, and he admits to being pretty shallow in those early days of fame.
My take on RB is he's a normal essex lad, grown up in suburbia who got clinically depressed and ill - a healthy response to home counties suburbia - and for whatever complex reasons got manic, found the entertainment industry could enable his condition, and somewhere down the line through his experiences he got in touch with his anarcho historical materialist side...im surprised not more drug taking celebs reach this conculsion....maybe its a class thing
yes those of us not in ivory towers know we are flawed, and heres a guy who through a bit of society-induced madness has ended up in the biggest ivory tower of them all, celebrity, and now he's in it he's seen a light and is trying his best to knock it down in whatever way he thinks he can. I dont blame him for being a celebrity, nor for him not able to properly shake of his celebrity status, and neither is it his fault celebrity culture is an enabler of his particular personality.
I reckon we are far from a saturation point of star figures of oppositional politics - the real problem is a failure of the organised left to have a place in the public eye, not the fault of the odd extrovert to slip into the mainstream through some bizarre parasitical back door.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
A bigger/stronger/more rooted Left or opposition could easily absorb/accommodate Brand (as it did with all kinds in the 70s I assume.
But the opposition now is so small, unsteady, weak and lacking in identity that it can easily be (further) broken by the impact of individuals (even non-celebrities).
But the opposition now is so small, unsteady, weak and lacking in identity that it can easily be (further) broken by the impact of individuals (even non-celebrities).
I only noticed your later comments on this this morning.
Brands last tour, The Messiah Complex, apparently touched on the tendency for figureheads of movements which caused social upheaval to be posthumously deified and have the words and beliefs bended and twisted to suit agendas and narratives which the figures would never themselves have subscribed to. He sites Christ, Ghandi & Malcolm X.
I wonder if he'd include Bill W in this paradigm? I distinctly remember one of AAs traditions being something about no opinion on outside issues. Brand attended parliamentary committee meetings with staff from his 12 step rehab, to lobby against non-abstinence treatment.
Messiah complex, indeed.
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bmd
Island in the stream.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I do wish we could get a "none of the above" option on the box, found this today which I approve of - https://twitter.com/NoneAboveUK (http://notavote.co.uk/index.html)
I'd rather have the option to spoil your vote and have it counted as a protest vote but agree with them that this is exceptionally unlikely to ever be allowed.
I'd rather have the option to spoil your vote and have it counted as a protest vote but agree with them that this is exceptionally unlikely to ever be allowed.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
A "celebrity" culture that's seeing a return to political nepotism within the mainstream parties, which to my way of thinking is just as grim as the likes of Brand or Owen Jones being parlayed as the voices of revolution and socialism respectively.
bmd
Island in the stream.
Yeah, very true. I didn't even think of that when I was posting but lots of people simply don't want to tell a room full of strangers about their problems.
He's a property developer with a portfolio. He made his wedge giving people the image of what they thought anarchism is then became an instant capitalist. He may have married into money also. He's a cunt but certainly not a thick one.
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Is this the downstairs loo
Is this the chaise longue
Does this come with the fixtures too?
Because I wanna be...private equity
Is this the chaise longue
Does this come with the fixtures too?
Because I wanna be...private equity
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/...ssell-brand-revolution-owen-jones-live-debate
It, the live discussion, really doesn't sound that inspiring.
It, the live discussion, really doesn't sound that inspiring.
rekil
to menny cranks
lol
editor
hiraethified
Evan was pretty much destroyed there.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, and tbf Brand did manage to articulate and publicise some important recent examples of working class resistance and action, but....I'm still left feeling that the performance appears primary; I suppose that's inevitable from a performer.
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