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Russell Brand on Revolution

you asked
I said I thought he would be a success if he could
You seem to be as ignorant of peoples needs as he is.

great stuff - keep voting / writing 'end poverty' on your hand / posting on here incessantly, we'll get there in no time
 
If you don't like anchovies/pizza then you should fuck off to north korea

Awesome Wells Are anchovies/pizza big in North Korea? Is that what they do? Tbh I'm not that bothered about anchovies (not sure I've ever had anchovies!) but I like pizza. But why North Korea? Why should I go to North Korea if I don't like pizza or anchovies? What's that about?
 
The account he gives in the book is that he's going to give up showbiz, having realized what a pathetic joke it all is, and devote himself to full-time activism and bonking Jemima Goldsmith. If he keeps to his word I really will be impressed.
I read they'd split up recently. I'd like to think she dumped him after she read his book.
 
Rob Newman, foppish comedian from the Mary Whitehouse Experience that had the girls swooning in the early 90s also got involved in activism later on, some friends saw him talk a few years back. Not narcissistic like Brand, and after his fame had largely waned away, but quite sincere & knowledgeable apparently.
 
Rob Newman, foppish comedian from the Mary Whitehouse Experience that had the girls swooning in the early 90s also got involved in activism later on, some friends saw him talk a few years back. Not narcissistic like Brand, and after his fame had largely waned away, but quite sincere & knowledgeable apparently.

There is some evidence by which we may judge this for ourselves. I think I watched this myself but too long ago to remember how good & accurate I thought it was.

 
Rob Newman, foppish comedian from the Mary Whitehouse Experience that had the girls swooning in the early 90s also got involved in activism later on, some friends saw him talk a few years back. Not narcissistic like Brand, and after his fame had largely waned away, but quite sincere & knowledgeable apparently.

Top bloke according to a mate of mine who is a carpenter and did his kitchen.
 
he was regularly on marches etc before he became famous- he's a knobhead but he's sincere in his politics.
i dont think thats quite right....by some strange circumstance i seem to have followed the life of RB fairly closely all along the way,,,and IIRC by his own admission he left an MTV studio one day to go on an MTV-expenses-paid shopping trip down Oxford street and happened to stumble on whatever anticapitalist carnival it was he got his kit off at that one time, attracted as he was by the vibes off it, not because he was a committed politico but because he knew a good thing when faced with it. Which is fine, but my point is his political awakening came some way down the line a bit further, and he admits to being pretty shallow in those early days of fame.

My take on RB is he's a normal essex lad, grown up in suburbia who got clinically depressed and ill - a healthy response to home counties suburbia - and for whatever complex reasons got manic, found the entertainment industry could enable his condition, and somewhere down the line through his experiences he got in touch with his anarcho historical materialist side...im surprised not more drug taking celebs reach this conculsion....maybe its a class thing

I don't like him - i think he's a bit of a dick, but that's not what worries me - we're all dicks - what worries me is the growth of celebrity culture and a star system around oppositional politics. We can do without that whether the stars are dicks, are right or not.

yes those of us not in ivory towers know we are flawed, and heres a guy who through a bit of society-induced madness has ended up in the biggest ivory tower of them all, celebrity, and now he's in it he's seen a light and is trying his best to knock it down in whatever way he thinks he can. I dont blame him for being a celebrity, nor for him not able to properly shake of his celebrity status, and neither is it his fault celebrity culture is an enabler of his particular personality.

I reckon we are far from a saturation point of star figures of oppositional politics - the real problem is a failure of the organised left to have a place in the public eye, not the fault of the odd extrovert to slip into the mainstream through some bizarre parasitical back door.
 
A bigger/stronger/more rooted Left or opposition could easily absorb/accommodate Brand (as it did with all kinds in the 70s I assume.

But the opposition now is so small, unsteady, weak and lacking in identity that it can easily be (further) broken by the impact of individuals (even non-celebrities).
 
12 steppers can be evangelistic about their way but it's just one of many.

I only noticed your later comments on this this morning.

Brands last tour, The Messiah Complex, apparently touched on the tendency for figureheads of movements which caused social upheaval to be posthumously deified and have the words and beliefs bended and twisted to suit agendas and narratives which the figures would never themselves have subscribed to. He sites Christ, Ghandi & Malcolm X.

I wonder if he'd include Bill W in this paradigm? I distinctly remember one of AAs traditions being something about no opinion on outside issues. Brand attended parliamentary committee meetings with staff from his 12 step rehab, to lobby against non-abstinence treatment.

Messiah complex, indeed.
 
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I only noticed your later comments on this this morning.

Brands last tour, The Messiah Complex, apparently touched on the tendency for figureheads of movements which caused social upheaval to be posthumously deified and have the words and beliefs bended and twisted to suit agendas and narratives which the figures would never themselves have subscribed to. He sites Christ, Ghandi & Malcolm X.

I wonder if he'd include Bill W in this paradigm? I distinctly remember one of AAs traditions being something about no opinion on outside issues. Brand attended parliamentary committee meetings with staff from his 12 step rehab, to lobby against non-abstinence treatment.

Messiah complex, indeed.


Alcoholics Anonymous said:
Tradition Eleven - our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films
 
I do wish we could get a "none of the above" option on the box, found this today which I approve of - https://twitter.com/NoneAboveUK (http://notavote.co.uk/index.html)

I'd rather have the option to spoil your vote and have it counted as a protest vote but agree with them that this is exceptionally unlikely to ever be allowed.

8) Why don’t I just spoil my ballot paper by writing None Of The Above on it?



The number of spoilt papers is counted, but rarely reported. All spoilt ballot papers would be included in the count. It would be impossible to determine from that number how many were active protest votes. They could all be dismissed as ‘accidental.’

9) Why stand candidates for parliament? Why not just have a petition?



No government would be willing to put ‘None Of The Above’ on to the ballot paper as it would be an obstacle to their own dominance of the electoral system. No matter how many signatures a petition received those in power would simply drag their feet. By standing a candidate NOTA appears on the ballot paper by default. If NOTA gain a good percentage of the vote then we have a mandate to force those in power to address the need for electoral reform.
 
No, you agree with many others. I don't agree with his view that abstinence-based 12 step focused services are the way. I think it excludes a lot of people, doesn't take into account all the other ways of recovery and is based on his experience which is always a problem when you're promoting recovery.

I'm of a similar opinion. I believe that group therapies are a good possibility, but they don't work for everyone, and AA's version is pretty prescriptive. Sometimes you need to find your own way, or find something helpful that doesn't involve the whole "group" dynamic.
 
I don't like him - i think he's a bit of a dick, but that's not what worries me - we're all dicks - what worries me is the growth of celebrity culture and a star system around oppositional politics. We can do without that whether the stars are dicks, are right or not.

A "celebrity" culture that's seeing a return to political nepotism within the mainstream parties, which to my way of thinking is just as grim as the likes of Brand or Owen Jones being parlayed as the voices of revolution and socialism respectively.
 
I'm of a similar opinion. I believe that group therapies are a good possibility, but they don't work for everyone, and AA's version is pretty prescriptive. Sometimes you need to find your own way, or find something helpful that doesn't involve the whole "group" dynamic.

Yeah, very true. I didn't even think of that when I was posting but lots of people simply don't want to tell a room full of strangers about their problems.
 
Then he flogged some butter.

After reforming the SeX Pistols years ago for the same reason.

He's not as smart as he thinks he is. At all. He's just a comedy angry shouty twat.

He's a property developer with a portfolio. He made his wedge giving people the image of what they thought anarchism is then became an instant capitalist. He may have married into money also. He's a cunt but certainly not a thick one.
 
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Is this the downstairs loo
Is this the chaise longue
Does this come with the fixtures too?
Because I wanna be...private equity
 
Each is angry, each is liberal, and each wants to see an improvement in the lives of ordinary people in this country and abroad – be it financial, environmental or spiritual. But can they hash out a plan to galvanise the left? After all, even the Guardian itself, for which both men write, has been critical of the gulf between their anger and their solutions.
lol
 
Evan was pretty much destroyed there.
Yes, and tbf Brand did manage to articulate and publicise some important recent examples of working class resistance and action, but....I'm still left feeling that the performance appears primary; I suppose that's inevitable from a performer.
 
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