Russell Brand on Revolution

[sim667]

I see you edited your post to try and be more provocative

Yep.

I suddenly remembered about him having a go at the bloc party frontman.

 

[sim667]

Hmmm.. racist property developer vs foppish comedian with delusions of relevance . . . which is best . . ?

Realistically two men desperate to revive ailing careers

 

[sim667]

Every report says that lyndon was not involved in anything physical at all. Even the bloc party bloke said that.

But his verbally racist entourage is perfectly acceptable.

(sarcastic)

 

[8ball]

Realistically two men desperate to revive ailing careers

Russell Brand's career is ailing?

 

[sim667]

Russell Brand's career is ailing?

he hasnt done anything for a while apart from make a twat of himself on supposed political broadcasts has he?

 

[8ball]

he hasnt done anything for a while apart from make a twat of himself on supposed political broadcasts has he?

Which he started doing at the height of his career, which he seems to have put partly on hold, and which you are bizarrely describing as an effort to revive it.

 

[butchersapron]

But his verbally racist entourage is perfectly acceptable.

(sarcastic)

No one said it was acceptable - and i don't accept his post-events excuses. It's also not acceptable to say he physically attacked the other lad. Seriously, just read things properly and maybe look at another source before making claims. I'm not meaning to have a dig but doing that would really help avoid daft situations developing.

 

[sim667]

Which he started doing at the height of his career, which he seems to have put partly on hold, and which you are bizarrely describing as an effort to revive it.

He dissappeared for a while, and then came back making political ramblings....

Then again I don't follow the media much so he may have done stuff that I'm not aware of.

Edit: you're right, I didn't realise he's still doing films, despicable me 2 last year....

 

[sim667]

No one said it was acceptable - and i don't accept his post-events excuses. It's also not acceptable to say he physically attacked the other lad. Seriously, just read things properly and maybe look at another source before making claims. I'm not meaning to have a dig but doing that would really help avoid daft situations developing.

Point taken, but it still remains that between a racist and an idiot, I'd rather have the idiot.

 

[killer b]

Brand is sincere. It's a mistake to suggest this is a cynical move on his part.

 

[sim667]

Brand is sincere. It's a mistake to suggest this is a cynical move on his part.

Ill take your word for it..... But im very cynical about celebrity's motives.... Any publicity is still publicity, even if it is misguided ramblings.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes,brand is 100% sincere - he was out early collecting cash for Kobane on sunday when others were sleeping off their hangovers. It's the sincerity allied to eager naivety that has led him to this current trouble.

 

[butchersapron]

...and to use a cliche, only people who do nothing don't make mistakes.

 

[killer b]

Obviously there's a massive amount of ego wrapped up in it for him, but it's surely not that difficult to spot the careerists? There's a lot of things you can criticise Brand for, but please keep it on target.

I quite like him fwiw.

 

[killer b]

Actually, I appreciate my liking him isn't really worth anything. But, I think he's much more use than most of the rest of the celebrity left - he makes mistakes, but he's very enthusiastic and actually seems capable of reflection.

 

[ska invita]

Obviously there's a massive amount of ego wrapped up in it for him, but it's surely not that difficult to spot the careerists? There's a lot of things you can criticise Brand for, but please keep it on target.

I quite like him fwiw.

as ive mumbled on about before, his massive ego comes from his clinical hypermania (or similar) and is a condition that he's self aware about and trying to keep under control, and that tbf couldve been the death of him...he seems to have ridden out the worst of it and is now channeling his energies into something positive as best he can.
you can always psychoanlayse ego mania but in many cases its just good old fashioned narcissism - with Russel Brand it seems deeply wired into his biology and its unlikely to be something that he can ever shake off, or just learn to be a bit more humble, iyswim.

 

[Blagsta]

Hypomania is the term.

Is he actually diagnosed?

/pedant

 

[ska invita]

Hypomania is the term.

Is he actually diagnosed?

/pedant

well thats my (very non expert) diagnosis - i think in his booky he talks about bipolar, which to my understanding is a spectrum of conditions and can be very hard to pin down. from what i can see he particularly matches the hypomania one (childhood depression, followed by manic activity, hypersexuality etc). The precise condition isnt that important, but I think theres definitely something there and it explains a lot about him - especially the lifestyle he's led which has exacerbated the problem and rewards the manic behaviour (the entertainment industry)

Sorry yes, hypomania, thanks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomania

 

[sim667]

Obviously there's a massive amount of ego wrapped up in it for him, but it's surely not that difficult to spot the careerists? There's a lot of things you can criticise Brand for, but please keep it on target.

I quite like him fwiw.

Oh don't get me wrong, I think he's funny.

 

[savoloysam]

The sex pistols are one of the very greatest bands of all time, and anyone who doesn't recognise that deserves all those pink Floyd albums they own.

Do people really still have this playground attitude?

Both are decent bands in their own right and Lydon himself admits that his slagging of the Floyd was just part of their make up and that he actually likes some of their music.

 

[killer b]

Fuck off hippie.

 

[sim667]

What if you dont own any sex pistols or any pink floyd music? Or like either?

 

[DotCommunist]

then you are a poorer man for it

 

[sim667]

then you are a poorer man for tune

There will be no dad-rock in my collection

 

[8115]

My problem with Russell Brand is that I think he's got a long way on sex appeal and I'm not sure that his recent political awakening was based on much more than a flash of genius while talking to Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight. Which are kind of flimsy foundations.

He was good about drugs services though.

What exactly are his politics? Save me reading the book. Presumably it wants go be No Logo for the 21st century which makes me feel a bit depressed.

 

[DotCommunist]

My problem with Russell Brand is that I think he's got a long way on sex appeal and I'm not sure that his recent political awakening was based on much more than a flash of genius while talking to Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight. Which are kind of flimsy foundations.

He was good about drugs services though.

What exactly are his politics? Save me reading the book. Presumably it wants go be No Logo for the 21st century which makes me feel a bit depressed.

he was regularly on marches etc before he became famous- he's a knobhead but he's sincere in his politics.

 

[killer b]

He's always claimed to be an anarchist, I believe. I seem to remember reading some quite insightful articles he wrote well before the Paxman interview - it isn't a recent awakening at all.

 

[bmd]

My problem with Russell Brand is that I think he's got a long way on sex appeal and I'm not sure that his recent political awakening was based on much more than a flash of genius while talking to Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight. Which are kind of flimsy foundations.

He was good about drugs services though.

What exactly are his politics? Save me reading the book. Presumably it wants go be No Logo for the 21st century which makes me feel a bit depressed.

He was shit about drugs services.

 

[8115]

He was shit about drugs services.

I thought he was ok? Bit abstinence focussed but made the point that if you want good services you have to fund them. Or am I wrong.

Anyway I like my political figures dusty and uncharismatic please.

 

[bmd]

I thought he was ok? Bit abstinence focussed but made the point that if you want good services you have to fund them. Or am I wrong.

Anyway I like my political figures dusty and uncharismatic please.

No, you agree with many others. I don't agree with his view that abstinence-based 12 step focused services are the way. I think it excludes a lot of people, doesn't take into account all the other ways of recovery and is based on his experience which is always a problem when you're promoting recovery.