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Russell Brand on Revolution

brogdale said:
Is the book available free?
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I would like to know why he allows Amazon to sell his stuff. They are a classic example of the type of corporations is he vehemently against. I would of thought he would have did a deal with his publisher on the terms that it wasn't sold on there. You know leading by example just like he preaches? :hmm:

Obviously my view of life is too simplistic.
 
savoloysam said:
I would like to know why he allows Amazon to sell his stuff. They are a classic example of the type of corporations is he vehemently against. I would of thought he would have did a deal with his publisher on the terms that it wasn't sold on there. You know leading by example just like he preaches? :hmm:

Obviously my view of life is too simplistic.
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I am not sure many publishers would touch a deal that excluded Amazon such is their reach. I vaguely remember someone else saying they hated Amazon but could not opt out.
 
killer b said:
really? come on. ffs.
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Yeah, really.

Multimillionaire Russell Brand has revealed that he is “not interested in making money anymore” and may well give up acting to focus on his revolution.

The comedian turned political activist said money makes him “feel guilty” and that the trappings of fame and fortune are “worthless and meaningless”.

In an interview with the Financial Times, Brand was asked whether his anti-establishment views meant he would no longer work as an actor in Hollywood. “It probably does mean that, yes,” he said.

He added: “It makes me scared if I think about money too much, then it makes me feel guilty. The only thing I tell the people who look after my money is, ‘Make sure my f***ing taxes are 100 per cent legitimately paid,’ and then I do my own s**t.”
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So, for someone with such a digital following and his own website, why not disseminate the revolution to the people for free?
 
I couldn't finda a thing he said that I disagreed with up to the 9-11 stuff though even then what he said on Newsnight was relatively reasonable, bit quoted from the book sounded dodgy though. I think he's basically all right and relatively sincere but let's see what it all looks like in 5 or 10 years.
 
8115 said:
I am not sure many publishers would touch a deal that excluded Amazon such is their reach. I vaguely remember someone else saying they hated Amazon but could not opt out.
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My guess is that he didn't even try.

He could have "done a Radiohead" and sold it primarily as an e book through his own website. It's not though he needs the money is it? :hmm:
 
brogdale said:
Yeah, really.

So, for someone with such a digital following and his own website, why not disseminate the revolution to the people for free?
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I suggest Russell is still struggling with the contradictions of his attraction to/repulsion from the trappings of fame and fortune on a personal level, so it's hardly surprising he has yet to work them out on a more political level.

He may well be 100% sincere (or not), but he still appears unable to recognise the full implications of his call for "revolution", far less put them into practice.
 
andysays said:
I suggest Russell is still struggling with the contradictions of his attraction to/repulsion from the trappings of fame and fortune on a personal level, so it's hardly surprising he has yet to work them out on a more political level.

He may well be 100% sincere (or not), but he still appears unable to recognise the full implications of his call for "revolution", far less put them into practice.
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He needs to have some time out, a retreat or something, I can see the guy burning out or being hijacked.
 
andysays said:
Maybe that's not what he's explicitly saying, but he does come across as having a bit of a messiah complex himself.

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And is it just me, or is there a strong hint of the iconic Che picture in that?

Brand is providing the spectacle of resistance, rather than a genuine example of resistance to the spectacle or anything else.
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That may well be true, but it's not what he didn't say that led me to that conclusion. He is an egotist but he didn't say "Follow me, I'm the pied piper". Of course, he may be thinking that. And that poster: yes, he is trying to look like Che.

Anyway, here's Crispian St Peters
 
nino_savatte said:
That may well be true, but it's not what he didn't say that led me to that conclusion. He is an egotist but he didn't say "Follow me, I'm the pied piper". Of course, he may be thinking that. And that poster: yes, he is trying to look like Che.

Anyway, here's Crispian St Peters
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Without wanting to get too "armchair psychologist", I suggest Russell has some sort of subconscious wish/need to be a Pied Piper. What I find more concerning is that many people seem to have a similar need to follow him.
Can't go on/Drag along
Can't go Wrong/Sing along
Pied Piper will lead you to the water
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andysays said:
Without wanting to get too "armchair psychologist", I suggest Russell has some sort of subconscious wish/need to be a Pied Piper. What I find more concerning is that many people seem to have a similar need to follow him.
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You can buy the tee-shirt here.*

* "choose your own price".....as long as it's £17 minimum.
 
Cheesypoof said:
i been saying for years that Russell Brand has good ideas on revolution (if i didnt do a thread on it here, i did on facebook). And although not leading the revolution himself, if he wasnt such a messer, could do it.

England needs a revolutionary (person) to lead the people. Russell Brand is good enough for me, but probably too much of a messer for the general public.
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Only if personal morality doesn't matter, Sachsgate and his attitude to Andrew Sachs was appalling, it can't be glossed over.

and the fact that hundreds of thousands of people including a few on here see the need for a 'leader' and are prepared to see such a complex, basically humane but mercurial figure possibly fill that role speaks volumes about the lack of any real opposition to the neo-liberal 'system.
 
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savoloysam said:
I would like to know why he allows Amazon to sell his stuff. They are a classic example of the type of corporations is he vehemently against. I would of thought he would have did a deal with his publisher on the terms that it wasn't sold on there. You know leading by example just like he preaches? :hmm:

Obviously my view of life is too simplistic.
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He took Murdoch's money to do his US chat show, why is he going to have a problem with Amazon?
 
ffs - brand is smart, witty, sincere and passionate. Hes trying to put forward radical ideas in his own way - and in so doing has got attention. Some of its messy - he's messy -, some of its half baked, hes struggling with the contrdications of being a 'sleb' and trying to take on the power structure - but most his analysis it is pretty much on the button - and he's articulating a lot of the anger and frustration with the system far better than most people could.
Would people rather he just twat on about his kraazzzy- lifestyle to hello magazine? hes doesn't claim to have the answer to everything or to be any sort of 'leader' - but he has put a small chink in the dismal, exclusive monotony of mainstream political debate.
So fair fucks to him.
 
nino_savatte said:
On the same comments thread.
AM 8 hours ago
Ezra Pound was the greatest poet of the 20th century, a hero Populist, a champion against Usury who promoted the work of the likes of Gesell and Major Douglas and you, some extreme leftist marxist 'anarchist' think you can criticize that man? Or people who appreciate what he stood for? The war against the Bankers that run the asylum here?

Not impressed.
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Others could lay claim to being the greatest poet of the 20th century. Pound was a fascist. What's so difficult to understand? :facepalm:
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AM is obsessed with NWO/Illuminati/Jewish-power conspiracy theory batshit https://archive.today/Dkgx2
He runs the 'Real Currencies' facebook blog and cross-posted TL's defence of Easeman https://archive.today/3xhC0
TL is a big fan of The Barnes Review: https://archive.today/88gCg, which is "one of the most virulent anti-Semitic organizations around ... dedicated to historical revisionism and Holocaust denial." http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/barnes-review

A selection of AM's articles: "Yes, the Money Power is Jewish" https://archive.today/W64h7
AM quote: "In short: Protocol 20 offers a unique insight into all the essentials of monetary theory ... it is absolutely impossible that some "forger" could have written this." https://archive.today/MwcUs#selection-203.0-211.144

No links lead direct to wingnut websites - but to an archive of those bastions of conspiraloon batshittery.
 
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The you go to the BBC to see who got the assist and find this at the top of the page:

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Kaka Tim said:
ffs - brand is smart, witty, sincere and passionate. Hes trying to put forward radical ideas in his own way - and in so doing has got attention. Some of its messy - he's messy -, some of its half baked, hes struggling with the contrdications of being a 'sleb' and trying to take on the power structure - but most his analysis it is pretty much on the button - and he's articulating a lot of the anger and frustration with the system far better than most people could.
Would people rather he just twat on about his kraazzzy- lifestyle to hello magazine? hes doesn't claim to have the answer to everything or to be any sort of 'leader' - but he has put a small chink in the dismal, exclusive monotony of mainstream political debate.
So fair fucks to him.
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Yeah that's my take on him
 
Given that (from the interview) Brand wants to talk to people who may not necessarily be into this stuff already he needs a mainstream publisher and, dare I say it maybe even Amazon. Sure he could go to a niche publisher or make the book available from his website but then he isn't going to reach many people except people already into these politics and I'd guess without reading it that his book is a bit more radical politics for dummies than serious discussion and analysis of the state of play and how to move forwards.
 
I was wondering the other day if he could be the UK's answer to Ming. . .except that under the hippie exterior Ming is a hard-nosed parish-pump politico, and with RB it's hippy nonsense all the way down. . .
 
8115 said:
Given that (from the interview) Brand wants to talk to people who may not necessarily be into this stuff already he needs a mainstream publisher and, dare I say it maybe even Amazon. Sure he could go to a niche publisher or make the book available from his website but then he isn't going to reach many people except people already into these politics and I'd guess without reading it that his book is a bit more radical politics for dummies than serious discussion and analysis of the state of play and how to move forwards.
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What politics exactly?
 
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