Rochester & Strood by-election

[butchersapron]

as the bloke didn't even know there was a bi election on, not sure she was wrong

Yeah, def don't bother trying to win the votes of people who aren't currently planning to vote in a by-election. That's the winners way. Just ask UKIP. maybe you and articul8 should have a get together.

 

[gosub]

Fortunate that Miliband didn't say anything regarding giving vans and flags automatic respect, then.
His point that one should respect a person until you have a reason to not respect them is practical manners, no more, no less. To do not do so implies condescension and contempt on par with that displayed by Thornberry.



How exactly does one fail at something one hasn't actually attempted?

It was a misuse of the word respect, he went on to say he respects everyone in the UK. What she did was disrespectful, and had to be countered. But when you start saying you respect everyone, you dilute the word and render it meaningless

 

[butchersapron]

It was a misuse of the word respect, he went on to say he respects everyone in the UK. What she did was disrespectful, and had to be countered. But when you start saying you respect everyone, you dilute the word and render it meaningless

No, he was saying you should start from a position of respect - not that all views and opinions should be equally respected at all times. This really is quite simple stuff - it's the ABC of electoral politics.

And are you really sure he went onto to say what you claim he did?

 

[gosub]

Yeah, def don't bother trying to win the votes of people who aren't currently planning to vote in a by-election. That's the winners way. Just ask UKIP. maybe you and articul8 should have a get together.

If you can sit through six weeks of a media and political circus and still be oblivious to its existence, maybe politics isn't for you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thornberry was, I gather brought up on a council estate - hardly the kind of elite liberal she is being made out as

Does she live on a council estate now? Does she associate with the people she grew up alongside?
Or has she left her class for membership of a different, more elitism-centric one?

We both know the answer to that, just as we know that your mentioning her childhood on a council estate is a transparent stab at giving her some class credibility.

 

[butchersapron]

If you can sit through six weeks of a media and political circus and still be oblivious to its existence, maybe politics isn't for you.

Lord above - did you really just type that. You and articul8 really should teem up - he doesn't want the votes of people in common houses and you think they should just be ignored. What a pair of winners.

maybe politics isn't for you - the whole stinking arrogant attitude laid bare.

 

[gosub]

No, he was saying you should start from a position of respect - not that all views and opinions should be equally respected at all times. This really is quite simple stuff - it's the ABC of electoral politics.

And are you really sure he went onto to say what you claim he did?

2.32. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-feel-respect-whenever-I-see-a-white-van.html

 

[Louis MacNeice]

She was making a comment about the political mood of the place, not that specific resident (who, as it turned out, was a racist prick in any case).

No she wasn't; she was pointing at a house and sneering.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Thornberry was, I gather brought up on a council estate - hardly the kind of elite liberal she is being made out as

My first home was a council flat. I don't claim any working class credentials. I look at where I am to day. You should stop defending sneering privilege.

Louis MacNeice

 

[stethoscope]

as the bloke didn't even know there was a bi election on, not sure she was wrong

That rather supports why Thornberry was caught out, and Labour more widely have lost the plot doesnt it?

He didn't know/wasn't interested in the election, yet Thornberry had already crudely judged him (via his house/flags/van) to use as political capital.

That he didnt know/wasnt interested shows how political parties (and particularly Labour) are no longer reaching out to w/c vote.

 

[gosub]

That rather supports why Thornberry was caught out, and Labour more widely have lost the plot doesnt it?

He didn't know/wasn't interested in the election, yet Thornberry had already crudely judged him (via his house/flags/van) to use as political capital.

That he didnt know/wasnt interested shows how political parties (and particularly Labour) are no longer reaching out to w/c vote.

I would respect the blokes right not to get drawn in not to get drawn in to something to which he was wilfully ignorant. And would agree the political class (that term is part of the problem IMO)is becoming detached. but there is only so much parties can do, I almost fell sorry for constituents when the circus of a well contested by election comes to town

 

[butchersapron]

I would respect the blokes right not to get drawn in not to get drawn in to something to which he was wilfully ignorant. And would agree the political class (that term is part of the problem IMO)is becoming detached. but there is only so much parties can do, I almost fell sorry for constituents when the circus of a well contested by election comes to town

Is one of the things that can do leap to conclusions about them based on their house, their shirt football team(s) and their white work van? Or is that one of the things that sort of re-inforces that detachment you talk of?

 

[brogdale]

as the bloke didn't even know there was a bi election on, not sure she was wrong

Wonder if the thick fucker even knew how to spell it, either....Lol

 

[Wilf]

The sneer comes out of the social base and politics of new labour, but also manages to fuck newlab's presentation of itself as being 'on the side of working families'. The paranoid little tap dance they've been doing since the tweet is also a good satement of who new labour are.

 

[brogdale]

The sneer comes out of the social base and politics of new labour, but also manages to fuck newlab's presentation of itself as being 'on the side of working families'. The paranoid little tap dance they've been doing since the tweet is also a good satement of who new labour are.

Giving the likes of Clegg an open goal-mouth amply illustrates quite how badly she fucked up.

Nick Clegg described the photograph tweeted last week by the former shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry as “drippingly patronising and jaw-droppingly condescending”.

 

[Wilf]

Giving the likes of Clegg an open goal-mouth amply illustrates quite how badly she fucked up.

Wow, the tweet took the attention away from the Tories losing the seat - and now from the 1%ers!

 

[gosub]

Wonder if the thick fucker even knew how to spell it, either....Lol

are you sneering at my dyslexia?

 

[Wilf]

Giving the likes of Clegg an open goal-mouth amply illustrates quite how badly she fucked up.

There's a lovely bit at the end of that story. Just as new lab manage to show their contempt for the working class using the medium of twitter, clegg is equally apt, using his European dream to cut benefits:

He disclosed he would be travelling to Germany on Wednesday to discuss Europe-wide action to restrict access to benefits for EU migrants. “I think we can go further in concert with our EU partners,” he said

 

[Dogsauce]

Yep, no benefits until they've paid in. A principle that will be quickly extended to 'native' school leavers and anyone else not yet working. Social support is something you earn, not just something people get because we live in a decent society that looks after people without any means to support themselves.

I feel sorry for today's kids, nobody gives a fuck about them, least of all UKIP. Work or study as hard as you like, you're getting fuck all unless your parents/expensive schooling give you a leg-up.

 

[brogdale]

Wonder if the thick fucker even knew how to spell it, either....Lol

No; just your (mis-spelt) contention that, because the householder chose to tell the media he was unaware of the event, Thornberry was not wrong to imply his type were not worth bothering with.

 

[gosub]

No; just your (mis-spelt) contention that, because the householder chose to tell the media he was unaware of the event, Thornberry was not wrong to imply his type were not worth bothering with.

Thornberry was wrong to publish that photo. As it happened, (and assuming he is on the electoral role) turned out she was correct, whilst not right.

The bloke himself, from what is known has done nothing to warrant respect (he might do shed loads for charity, who knows) but his right to privacy should have been respected - Milliband sort of tried to say that but it got mangled, a big up to people for just existing is fucked up

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

a big up to people for just existing is fucked up

what sort of disgusting anti-human cunt are you?

 

[brogdale]

Thornberry.....turned out she was correct, whilst not right.

The bloke himself, from what is known has done nothing to warrant respect (he might do shed loads for charity, who knows) but his right to privacy should have been respected

What the fuck are you on about?

 

[gosub]

respect
rɪˈspɛkt/
noun

1. 1.
   a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
   "the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor"
   synonyms: esteem, regard, high regard, high opinion, acclaim, admiration,approbation, approval, appreciation, estimation, favour, popularity,recognition, veneration, awe, reverence, deference, honour, praise,homage
   "the respect due to a great artist"
2. 2.
   due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.
   "young people's lack of respect for their parents"
   synonyms: due regard, consideration, thoughtfulness, attentiveness, politeness,courtesy, civility, deference
   "he speaks to the old lady with respect"

Taking a photo of someone's house and dragging them into an election campaign is a breach of the secondary definition of respect. Dishing out out respect willy nilly is a debasement of the primary definition of respect.

 

[Pickman's model]

Dishing out out respect willy nilly is a debasement of the primary definition of respect.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Taking a photo of someone's house and dragging them into an election campaign is a breach of the secondary definition of respect. Dishing out out respect willy nilly is a debasement of the primary definition of respect.

You total fool, fuck off.

 

[brogdale]

respect
rɪˈspɛkt/
noun

1. 1.
   a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
   "the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor"
   synonyms: esteem, regard, high regard, high opinion, acclaim, admiration,approbation, approval, appreciation, estimation, favour, popularity,recognition, veneration, awe, reverence, deference, honour, praise,homage
   "the respect due to a great artist"
2. 2.
   due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.
   "young people's lack of respect for their parents"
   synonyms: due regard, consideration, thoughtfulness, attentiveness, politeness,courtesy, civility, deference
   "he speaks to the old lady with respect"

Taking a photo of someone's house and dragging them into an election campaign is a breach of the secondary definition of respect. Dishing out out respect willy nilly is a debasement of the primary definition of respect.

Yeah, yeah...all very dictionary corner, but why did you say....

she was correct, whilst not right.

...and what does it mean?

And, while you're at it...what the fuck is this about?

from what is known has done nothing to warrant respect

 

[Pickman's model]

respect
rɪˈspɛkt/
noun

1. 1.
   a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
   "the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor"
   synonyms: esteem, regard, high regard, high opinion, acclaim, admiration,approbation, approval, appreciation, estimation, favour, popularity,recognition, veneration, awe, reverence, deference, honour, praise,homage
   "the respect due to a great artist"
2. 2.
   due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.
   "young people's lack of respect for their parents"
   synonyms: due regard, consideration, thoughtfulness, attentiveness, politeness,courtesy, civility, deference
   "he speaks to the old lady with respect"

Taking a photo of someone's house and dragging them into an election campaign is a breach of the secondary definition of respect. Dishing out out respect willy nilly is a debasement of the primary definition of respect.

 

[articul8]

he doesn't want the votes of people in common houses

Yes that's what I said and believe

 

[brogdale]

Staines (I won't link) is making hay with the story of Thornberry's husband (Sir Christopher George Nugee, styled The Hon. Mr Justice Nugee) and his investment in ex-social housing stock. It appears that Staines has a personal beef.