Rochester & Strood by-election

[ViolentPanda]

you condescend to everyone, you're very condescending.

Unfortunately for him, with very little reason.

 

[Pickman's model]

Unfortunately for him, with very little reason.

yeh he's much to be very modest about.

 

[articul8]

She was making a comment about the political mood of the place, not that specific resident (who, as it turned out, was a racist prick in any case).

 

[Mr Moose]

If you buy the story that he gave her 2p, anyway. The repro quality and blow-up of the newspaper image made it pretty indistinct.



Of course it's not outside of credibility.
That Thornberry appears, in most interpretations, to have made an automatic assumption about what was being signified, is the issue at hand, though, and what it reveals about her perspective on a section of the population her party purports to represent.



As I was saying earlier, there's a world of difference in what the St George signifies now, compared to what it used to signify, such that making an automatic assumption that it is shorthand for "nationalist lives here" is pretty much intellectually lazy, if not intellectually bankrupt. Miliband appears to understand this, where Thornberry (and articul8) appear to have missed it.

Thornberry on Question Time normally looks like she's just eaten a servant. She comes across posh and entitled. She's a lawyer, it's in the JD. The fact that she might be a bit Islington snobby won't be people's biggest concern if she could do her job well. But people really hate the ego driven politics, of playing tough to the press, sack and disown on tittle tattle and trivia.

Ed doesn't really get it at all. If he pretends that we can just smile at Nationalism and welcome it into the big tent he's in for a big shock. The flag is still the flag. Democratic socialists have to admit they can't always wave it. You seem to be criticising Thornberry for no more than not keeping up with today's narrative.

 

[Pickman's model]

Thornberry on Question Time normally looks like she's just eaten a servant. She comes across posh and entitled. She's a lawyer, it's in the JD. The fact that she might be a bit Islington snobby won't be people's biggest concern if she could do her job well. But people really hate the ego driven politics, of playing tough to the press, sack and disown on tittle tattle and trivia.

Ed doesn't really get it at all. If he pretends that we can just smile at Nationalism and welcome it into the big tent he's in for a big shock. The flag is still the flag. Democratic socialists have to admit they can't always wave it. You seem to be criticising Thornberry for no more than not keeping up with today's narrative.

you should change your username to 'mr morose'

 

[articul8]

Thornberry was, I gather brought up on a council estate - hardly the kind of elite liberal she is being made out as

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

you should change your username to 'mr morose'

Does morose mean daft now or summat?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

yeh he's much to be very modest about.

Unlike belboid

 

[Pickman's model]

Thornberry was, I gather brought up on a council estate - hardly the kind of elite liberal she is being made out as

so was david davis. now, do you have anything substantive to add, or are you just going to piss about like this for the next few days?

 

[Pickman's model]

Does morose mean daft now or summat?

sullen and ill-tempered

 

[Mr Moose]

Thornberry was, I gather brought up on a council estate - hardly the kind of elite liberal she is being made out as

Yeah, we've all got all sorts of roots, but she chosen to hide hers well. It's not a card in this argument.

you should change your username to 'mr morose'

But I is happy Moose today.

 

[Pickman's model]

But I is happy Moose today.

today. but tomorrow?

 

[ska invita]

She has been scapegoated to appease right wing tabloids. Simple as. The story here was the Tory failure to hold the seat. Miliband has only himself to blame for turning a Twitter spat into an overall admission of Labour snobbery. No wonder Butchers and all the haters are delighted with him.

i was offended by it - im not a right wing tabloid. simple as.

 

[Mr Moose]

i was offended by it - im not a right wing tabloid. simple as.

It was offensive true. Offended to the point of sacking though?

 

[ska invita]

Miliband has only himself to blame for turning a Twitter spat into an overall admission of Labour snobbery. No wonder Butchers and all the haters are delighted with him.

 

[ska invita]

It was offensive true. Offended to the point of sacking though?

im offended by the attitude of the politician in question - if thats the way she views the world then yes, shes got no business representing the community as a politician

*of course 99% of them feel similiarly, but pretend otherwise - she gave herself away to anyone who cares to see it

 

[Mr Moose]

im offended by the attitude of the politician in question - if thats the way she views the world then yes, shes got no business representing the community as a politician

*of course 99% of them feel similiarly, but pretend otherwise - she gave herself away to anyone who cares to see it

If 99% of them feel the same then sacking one of them is just PR. And poor PR at that.

Low on the list of Churchill's values much beloved by the British was his common touch. The public do not care that much, don't really expect Politicians to be like them. There is also a significant portion of the electorate who don't like flag waving types and who don't wish to see the Labour Party prostrate before them, even when it's in the wrong.

 

[Anudder Oik]

She actually was one the lefter people around Milibands team. Tough shit. 2 million quid house and such arrogance.

Like the fucking lot of them. Labour embraced neo liberal politics 30 years ago. How can this M.P.'s comments even appear surprising, at this late stage? A labour prime minister got stuck into a war based on lies for profit not so long ago. They are a totally lost cause.

 

[brogdale]

Like the fucking lot of them. Labour embraced neo liberal politics 30 years ago. How can this M.P.'s comments even appear surprising, at this late stage? A labour prime minister got stuck into a war based on lies for profit not so long ago. They are a totally lost cause.

Nearer 40 years; it was very nearly exactly 38 years ago that the IMF published the conditions consequent upon the £2.3bn loan sought by Healy. This effectively marks the formal point from which the de-democratisation of the economy proceeded; the subsequent 'consolidation' or public spending cuts contributing to the 'winter of discontent' that preceded the 1979 election.

 

[cantsin]

Thornberry was, I gather brought up on a council estate - hardly the kind of elite liberal she is being made out as

Dad assistant gen sec of UN, mum mayor of Guildford

 

[brogdale]

Dad assistant gen sec of UN, mum mayor of Guildford

Boutros Boutros-Ghali?

 

[brogdale]

Ashcroft's take....

....looking back, we can see that the tale of the Emily Thornberry tweet provides a perfect parable for Ukip’s rise. I do not suppose the shadow attorney general was overcome with hostility or even distaste at the sight of a house festooned with St George flags; the problem was that a senior Labour politician seemed bemused by the kind of people her party was created to represent.

 

[Steel Icarus]

A proper scolding, no less http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rebecca-winson/emily-thornberry-tweet_b_6197296.html

 

[Mr Moose]

Ashcroft's take....

I don't think there is any reason to expect she was bemused. We simply don't know, though she, in a moment of Twitter brain by-pass, clearly thought we would get it.

Not respectful, not clever, but hardly worth the fuss.

A proper scolding, no less http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rebecca-winson/emily-thornberry-tweet_b_6197296.html

Yep...This will seem like a weird dream in a few weeks. 'He sacked her for...what?..really?..'

 

[coley]

It's not that though. It is 20ish years of Labour deliberately not talking to 'traditional working class' people, instead courting the middle/centre-right ground who swing elections.
Then Milliband comes out with what do you think when you see a white van outside a house, he says "respect". Which just sounds fucking weird.
It is the ability to sit in a room full of Ukip voters and maybe win them over, at least charm them, at least some of them. Labour won't even come in the room, it can't even open the door, it can't even hold the door handle its hands are so greased with sleaze and power, it can't (insert door/handle analogy here)...

What makes it worse,is that not only was it a sneer against the WC,it was a lazy, oh we can drop our pretensions here, this lot isn't worth bothering with sneer.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I don't agree with the article, lol

I've seen some phenomenal responses from supposed left-leaning people on this whole story last few days, including "he can't be working class" (despite Mr. Ware describing himself as such), "you just KNEW he was going to look like that", and calling him all sorts of things from dickhead to fash...

 

[coley]

It was offensive true. Offended to the point of sacking though?

On balance? He should have regretfully accepted her resignation

 

[ska invita]

Ashcroft's take.... " a senior Labour politician seemed bemused by the kind of people her party was created to represent."

yeah exactly
if a tory had tweeted it the class politics would be even clearer than they are now - theyre perfectly clear now to anyone who isnt still delusional about the labour party

If 99% of them feel the same then sacking one of them is just PR. And poor PR at that.

If you can find a way to sack off the lot of them let me know...

 

[DotCommunist]

 

[gosub]

What makes it worse,is that not only was it a sneer against the WC,it was a lazy, oh we can drop our pretensions here, this lot isn't worth bothering with sneer.

as the bloke didn't even know there was a bi election on, not sure she was wrong