Rochester & Strood by-election

[cesare]

He's anti-Milliband so will seize on anything to give that traction

 

[butchersapron]

It really is astonishing that such a political sophisticate like articul8 can't read a millionaire going erghh but so many political illiterates who would never match his depth of strategic thinking can.

 

[butchersapron]

He's anti-Milliband so will seize on anything to give that traction

Indeed, he's petty much a puppet for progress/the sun/guido fawkes etc here. Odd thing is, a few years back he was giving us the line that Miliband has put the labour party back on track and is moving them in a definite left-wing direction. It almost looks like he was wrong doesn't it? But we all know that doesn't happen. Unless it later proves he was right to have been wrong at that point.

 

[Red Storm]

All you've got to ask yourself is what was her purpose in tweeting that picture with that caption.

There's no possible answer in that she was mocking the house and it's relation to the impending UKIP win.

 

[articul8]

This didn't happen - as you've been told. Why persist in the lie? Why persist in following the anti-labour types who have suggested this has happened whilst claiming others are doing just that? You are all over the shop. In fact, you're doing exactly what they want and using their lies to do so.

That's how he came across and how his comments were reported. Sacking Thornberry was an own goal, and he looks daft.

 

[DotCommunist]

Mr Milliband's defence of England supporting white van man isn't really resonating either

the fuck is that

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

It really is astonishing that such a political sophisticate like articul8 can't read a millionaire going erghh but so many political illiterates who would never match his depth of strategic thinking can.

it's really strange and doesn't match what he tells us his politics are...

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Blue Labour begins from the premise that what ordinary folk are really attached to are the flag, the country, royalty, hard work, family, and a suspicion of Johnny foreigner. It then says the market undermines these traditional attachments so it's possible to argue for protecting what's popular in the eyes of Joe prole whilst at the same time speaking to fear of change in way that the neoliberal Tories no longer can. But the whole thing rests on a stereotype of what drives the working class just as much if not more so than Thornberry.

This "I see a van and think respect" stuff is far further outside most people's experience.We all make judgements positive and negative from markers of cultural identity. It's perfectly normal.

I'm sorry but this is the sort of 'focus group' gobbledygook that won't win votes. I'm sure this is how Labour high command do converse among themselves & they really need to get out more, when Ed speaks this is exactly the sort of language he speaks in & this is why most people do not see him as prime minister. Ed & co need go out & buy some clothes from Matalan & spend from now until the next GE out among the people who's votes they need.

 

[gosub]

the fuck is that

Cartoon from one of today's papers

 

[articul8]

He's anti-Milliband so will seize on anything to give that traction

I'm not anti-Miliband, I want him to succeed. But he fucked up here.

 

[butchersapron]

That's how he came across and how his comments were reported. Sacking Thornberry was an own goal, and he looks daft.

No they didn't - you picked up the anti-labour rags deliberate misreading of what he said and ran with them rather than checking out what actually happened for yourself , effectively bringing your common anti-miliband/anti-labour agenda to the fore - whilst accusing others of using anti-labour rags hatred of labour to attack poor old Thornberry and anti-w/c sobbery. Shameless hypocrisy.

 

[butchersapron]

it's really strange and doesn't match what he tells us his politics are...

It does fit his fabian forebears traditions though, holding your nose whilst you help the poor unfortunates and other w/c types.

 

[butchersapron]

Mr Milliband's defence of England supporting white van man isn't really resonating either

You'll notice this piece that articul8 likes features the same misreading of respect - here rendered as respec' - as he made. And features the same snobby liberal anti w/c perspective - can anyone say who drew it please - i can't read that middle class scrawl.

 

[articul8]

Fuck off with that Fabian shite too

 

[DotCommunist]

Cartoon from one of today's papers

feels like its not just ed the cartoonist is taking the piss out of to me

 

[SaskiaJayne]

I am not issuing a blanket defence of Labour - there is a whole series of failures to connect with what working class voters want. And yes for many it's because they have little connection to the way people outside their sphere lives their lives. Of course this is a major problem. But it doesn't follow that Labour proves its respect by playing up to a no less stereotyped view of what working class politics look like.

Then surely you agree that to at least be part of some sort coalition after the next GE Ed & co need to get out more among the people they need to vote for them & we need to hope for no gaffs?

 

[frogwoman]

Good god that cartoon is awful

 

[butchersapron]

Fuck off with that Fabian shite too

Wow, you really refuted that didn't you? Seeing as you're now also an expert in political cartoonery (to go with the political buffonery) let's have your comments on this - just trying to capture the moment?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not anti-Miliband, I want him to succeed. But he fucked up here.

Excellent - your criticisms come from a place of honesty (despite allying with anti-labour rags and interests) everyone elses come from a place of mendacity and are a mix of far-right and far-left filth.

You really are a danger to your party, an utter liability. You are so so inept and so so convinced that you're some master strategist seeing further than anyone else. Why can't you see what's in front of your nose then?

Lesson here kids, don't go to university and don't enter the bubble - the bubble will change you, you won't change the bubble.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, i thought so, the cartoonist articul8 liked, the one whose cartoon above he thought fitted the moment rather accurately in its snobby anti w/c way, is the private school boy from surrey christian adams.

 

[brogdale]

They're not letting it lie, are they?

Ed Miliband was right to sack Emily Thornberry from the shadow cabinet because she was “condescending and disrespectful” towards working people and damaged Labour’s election prospects when she tweeted a picture of a house decked out in St George’s flags, Rachel Reeves has said.

In some of the strongest criticism of the former frontbencher, the shadow work and pensions secretary said that her tweet was contrary to the values of the Labour party.

 

[Mr Moose]

That Thornberry is a smug elitist ranks low on the list of big surprises in the political arena. The tweet, about as respectful as offering a homeless person 2p with your back turned, was crass.

But she didn't actually caption it with 'look at this chav - blimey no wonder UKIP are winning here - get me back to civilisation quick'. We just think she did. Whatever good reason we have, whatever instinctive disapproval we have for her smug entitled face, she didn't give it the captions we have.

If Labour give in this quickly they'll be only Ed left by the election date. You won't see UKIP making its candidates fall on their swords for such small beer.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

They're not letting it lie, are they?

As often when links are posted there are other things worth reading. This I found gobsmacking. If the Tories are this bad its not suprising Labour are still level in the polls, would other European countires allow this sort of thing? If Labour cannot highlight this sort of thing by screaming it from the rooftops in the next few months then god help us all.

Fuck you articul8 with all your whinging & infighting, get your party out on the streets with some proper policies & ram home just how bad a Tory government would be for the working people of this country. You have less than 6months.

 

[Mr Moose]

As often when links are posted there are other things worth reading. This I found gobsmacking. If the Tories are this bad its not suprising Labour are still level in the polls, would other European countires allow this sort of thing? If Labour cannot highlight this sort of thing by screaming it from the rooftops in the next few months then god help us all.

Fuck you articul8 with all your whinging & infighting, get your party out on the streets with some proper policies & ram home just how bad a Tory government would be for the working people of this country. You have less than 6months.

It's a fucking outrage.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

It's a fucking outrage.

Well yes & living 70miles from London its the first I'd heard of it. Labour need to be more vocal about this sort of thing.

 

[butchersapron]

That Thornberry is a smug elitist ranks low on the list of big surprises in the political arena. The tweet, about as respectful as offering a homeless person 2p with your back turned, was crass.

But she didn't actually caption it with 'look at this chav - blimey no wonder UKIP are winning here - get me back to civilisation quick'. We just think she did. Whatever good reason we have, whatever instinctive disapproval we have for her smug entitled face, she didn't give it the captions we have.

If Labour give in this quickly they'll be only Ed left by the election date. You won't see UKIP making its candidates fall on their swords for such small beer.

If they lied and took the line articul8 has how do you think people would have responded? He might live in the bubble and think fluffy banalities would get rid of it, it would leave everyone else thinking they were lying snobby cunts. Which they would be.

 

[Mr Moose]

If they lied and took the line articul8 has how do you think people would have responded? He might live in the bubble and think fluffy banalities would get rid of it, it would leave everyone else thinking they were lying snobby cunts. Which they would be.

I wouldn't ever advocate lying, but she could have had a more private bollocking and even a demotion along the line if her behaviour didn't improve. But I would never put on a show for the press and this has become so.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

I don't think this incident will come back to haunt Labour at next GE the way Gord's bigot gaffe did, its not as damaging as that. It does illustrate(as did Gord's gaffe)how out of touch Labour top people are with those whose votes they need, but we knew this already. Labour need to move on quickly with some good policies.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't think this incident will come back to haunt Labour at next GE the way Gord's bigot gaffe did, its not as damaging as that. It does illustrate(as did Gord's gaffe)how out of touch Labour top people are with those whose votes they need, but we knew this already. Labour need to move on quickly with some good policies.

That was in the week of the election. I reckon it made very little difference anyway. This, well be gone soon - but, for on here, it's revealing of either what a8 really thinks or how much shit he's prepared to swallow and spew out as we get closer to may 2015 - and how far he is prepared to go against the party. He's shown he's happy to use the anti-labour anti-immigration rags to attack miliband (whilst moaning that other views are illegitimate on the basis that he thinks they do this) and to attack people who criticise this. God knows what he'll be up to come april.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

I wonder who articul8 really is? Why do I keep coming back to Ed Balls?