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Pubs want to halve the two metre rule

Well the other point to make about the places I mentioned is that the easing isn't coming after a speech to the nation by the PM the night before. It's following well-publicised plans that were put in place well in advance.

Switzerland was hit hard, btw. It just dealt with it sooooo much better.

Well, that could be said for most of Europe, couldn't it - not to mention other parts of the world.
 
Not sure if this has been posted yet but - here’s one solution from Japan.


It is more like preparing for surgery in hospital than a traditional raucous night out. However, a bar-restaurant in Tokyo has refashioned itself into what may be the pub of the future, where revellers can eat and drink in a disinfected and sterile environment, engaging in minimal physical contact with fellow human beings.


Visitors to Kichiri, in the city’s once-busy Shinjuku district, are greeted by a waitress on a large screen who invites them to wash their hands and check their temperatures. They then step into a kind of human car wash, where angled plastic pipes bathe them in a mist of chlorine disinfectant.


Rather than being guided by a member of staff, diners find their own table as indicated on a floor plan. Parties of up to six people are being accepted. The tables have individual chairs and are separated from one another by veils of transparent acrylic. Visitors are encouraged to sit side by side rather than opposite one another.


Orders are made on a tablet computer, and food and drinks are delivered under plastic covers to another table where the customers can collect them to avoid direct contact with waiting staff. Crockery and chopsticks are made of disposable plastic and wood.


Tablet computers are provided for solitary diners so that they can connect with friends through a teleconferencing app for what the Japanese call “on-nomi” – an online booze up. The microphone is attached to an “actress light”, which is said to make users look like a film star.

Payment is by credit card and staff see customers off from a distance of two metres.


“We wanted to develop a system that fits in with the new normal and is a good example for preventing infection,” said the president of the company that owns the “izakaya”, or traditional Japanese pub.


“It’s still an experiment, but once we develop the system, we want to introduce the know-how at all our restaurants.”

Seems like a massive fuck on tbh.
 
This is the big problem with British drinking culture compared to iberia. Here we have many pavement and terrace cafes/bars which means it's easier to distance and control how people are interacting. British drinking is much more an indoor activity which means it's going to be a lot more difficult separate the people, and to ensure that the air is being cleared rather than recycled.

I think that a 1m distance isn't enough. People spending time together in a closed environment is likely to lead to a second spike sooner rather than later.


Same in Poland.

No one stands in pubs here. If there's no room you find somewhere else with seating and sit your bum down. And then have a conversation.

Pubs manage fine.

I found it odd at first (when I moved 9 years ago) but it became a culture shock for me, and now when back in the UK, with everyone crammed into pubs shouting at each other I find it really uncomfortable.
 
Same in Poland.
No one stands in pubs here. If there's no room you find somewhere else with seating and sit your bum down. And then have a conversation.

Pubs manage fine.

I found it odd at first (when I moved 9 years ago) but it became a culture shock for me, and now when back in the UK, with everyone crammed into pubs shouting at each other I find it really uncomfortable.

I really understand this reaction.
Generally I love pubs, and I'm really missing them at the moment :(
But I do my best to be quite selective about which ones I go into.
Not just because I insist on having a decent choice of beer ;) :D, but even more because I really dislike stupidly overcrowded/over-loud ones.
And I've disliked having to stand in pubs since I was about 16. Got to have a seat!! :eek:
 
Must admit, if I went in even a beer garden, my brain would be having a little ocd type nag at me about who sat in the chair before, what about the person serving you etc. The other thing is, again, the inconsistencies of what government expect people to do in different situations. We are well on the way to socially distant pubs opening, schoolkids in school and presumably places like cinemas and the wider set of shops will follow soon. But I'm currently organising a funeral (a non-covid case) and we are down to 10 mourners, being summoned directly into the service from their cars and the disinfection of the chapel of rest after each service. Don't expect spoons to be doing that after each customer/pint. Anyway, herd immunity strategy here we come.
 



People are willing to do just about anything to feel some sense of “normal” again. And that apparently includes wearing a giant inflatable “bumper table” just to get a cocktail at the local bar.
 
Same in Poland.

No one stands in pubs here. If there's no room you find somewhere else with seating and sit your bum down. And then have a conversation.

Pubs manage fine.

I found it odd at first (when I moved 9 years ago) but it became a culture shock for me, and now when back in the UK, with everyone crammed into pubs shouting at each other I find it really uncomfortable.
Its very often the design of pubs and refurbs over the last 30 years or so that contributes to a standing culture in pubs in the UK. Decades ago very often pubs had snug rooms, vaults , public and lounge bars , smoke rooms etc etc which encourage more seating. Large barn type refurbs into one open plan space , bottled beer culture , standing also increase alcohol consumption and speed of drinking. Bar stools also limit access to being served and more queues. We also don't have a tradition of table service. Number of pubs in the UK has fallen year by year as breweries find it more profitable to sell the land to developers for flats or Tesco type express shops.
 
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Its very often the design of pubs and refurbs over the last 30 years or so that contributes to a standing culture in pubs in the UK. Decades ago very often pubs had snug rooms, vaults , public and lounge bars , smoke rooms etc etc which encourage more seating. Large barn type refurbs into one open plan space , bottled beer culture , standing also increase alcohol consumption and speed of drinking. Bar stools also limit access to being served and more queues. We also don't have a tradition of table service. Number of pubs in the UK has fallen year by year as breweries find it more pritiable to sell the land to developers for flats or Tesco type express shops.

I agree that all these negatives are important. In my more downhearted moments, I get pretty depressed about all that.

But thankfully IME, there are still a really significant number of pubs that resist these trends -- they're more likely to be independently-run and recognising the popularity (for some!) and even business value of retaining tables for eating and drinking.
And in a different category, most of the new-style micropubs (good beer specialist ;) :cool: ) avoid the standing room only arrangements.

A lot of local CAMRA groups (who are not only ale-focussed! ;) ) do their best to preserve pubs from closing down -- in England (not Wales yet :( ) getting a pub declared an 'asset of community value' makes it quite a bit harder for them to be turned into residential property in planning law.
They also campaign against the iniquities of the vile 'Pub-Cos' (Enterprise Inns, Punch Taverns, etc. :mad: ), those who rip off their tenants and customers alike :hmm:

And there's a modest but gently increasing trend for community buy-outs of a few pubs, and you can bet your life that CAMRA-types will get involved in those, so they tend to be good for beer and traditional pub atmosphere. And community focus too, because local groups buy these pubs!

None of this is coronavirus-relevant though, because a worrying number of pubs, good ones included as well as dumps, will end up closing down ..... :(
 
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I agree that all these negatives are important. In my more downhearted moments, I get pretty depressed about all that.

But thankfully IME, there are still a really significant number of pubs that resist these trends -- they're more likely to be independently-run and recognising the popularity (for some!) and even business value of retaining tables for eating and drinking.
And in a different category, most of the new-style micropubs (good beer specialist ;) :cool: ) avoid the standing room only arrangements.

A lot of local CAMRA groups (who are not only ale-focussed! ;) ) do their best to preserve pubs from closing down -- in England (not Wales yet :( ) getting a pub declared an 'asset of community value' makes it quite a bit harder for them to be turned into residential property in planning law.
They also campaign against the iniquities of the vile 'Pub-Cos' (Enterprise, Punch Taverns, etc. :mad: ), those who rip off their tenants and customers alike :hmm:

And there's a modest but gently increasing trend for community buy-outs of a few pubs, and you can bet your life that CAMRA-types will get involved in those, so they tend to be good for beer and traditional pub atmosphere. And community focus too, because local groups buy these pubs!

None of this is coronavirus-relevant though, because a worrying number of pubs, good ones included as well as dumps, will end up closing down ..... :(

There’s a few villages around here that have clubbed together to buy the local pub and keep it running, just to keep the village relevant. Invariably they are very nice places to visit, very well kept with excellent booze and food. My particular favourite is the Three Horseshoes in Thursley, so much so that I would much like to move to that village...

View from the large garden...

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It's KFC round here.


Costco is just off the same roundabout but I would suggest the majority are for KFC. The thing is that after the Southend stuff yesterday the beach was awash with litter. Who gets the biohazard joy of cleaning that up? Equally who cleans up the fag ends, food and drink waste, glasses etc in the pubs. So it's not just the distance that causes an issue.
 
The thing is that after the Southend stuff yesterday the beach was awash with litter. Who gets the biohazard joy of cleaning that up? Equally who cleans up the fag ends, food and drink waste, glasses etc in the pubs. So it's not just the distance that causes an issue.
I don't think the public toilets were open? None of the cafés would have had them open.

:hmm:
 
I don't think the public toilets were open? None of the cafés would have had them open.

:hmm:

Yeah, its the toilet thing that gets me. All the usual toilet options are presumably closed. I'm worried about going on too long a walk because of that. What are all these people driving miles to the beach think they are going to do? Just shit and piss wherever? Wankers.
 
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