Photo ID now a requirement to vote in the UK
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bimble
floofy
I just read this ancient article and it was pretty interesting tbf. Not the sort of coercion that’s being imagined here a much more organised sort.
20 year old news:
www.theguardian.com
20 year old news:
Rigging doubts over postal ballots
Government scheme to improve turnouts could be exploited.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Giving rogue governments agency over who gets to vote and who doesn't is not a route we want to go down either.
Would it be fair to say that no matter what the rules are, if anyone wants to change them, they should be clearly in manifestos?
Also, with voter IDs, the devil is in the detail. I'm in favour of them if they are accessable and there is no universal digital id given to every citizen (which would introduce all sorts of problems).
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Can you find any evidence of this happening at a scale that justifies abridging democratic rights? Just checking, because I already know the answer is that you haven't got shit.
High Voltage
In the top 97% of Urban's most interesting posters
Well, my voter ID arrived last week - total cost to me . . . nothing
Since then, mind, I've had a No. 1 hair cut, the beard is off and I'll probably not be needing to wear my glasses when I vote
It's A4 in size and laser printed both sides onto some of the cheapest paper I've seen. Only "security" I can see is top left of the front there's some minor embossing, 12 x 1mm dots in 3 x up-side-down L's - hardly hologram levels of security. Oooh! there appears to be quite a clever watermark effect though
The initial application was done on line via the link (I think in this very thread) the photo was taken by myself on my iPhone with the "reverse" lens, so not the sharpest picture but easy enough to do against a white background, again, cost to me . . . nothing
The only other thing I needed was my National Insurance number . . . luckily I've still got some old pay slips with this on as it's one of the many "important" numbers in life that I simply can't / won't remember
Since then, mind, I've had a No. 1 hair cut, the beard is off and I'll probably not be needing to wear my glasses when I vote
It's A4 in size and laser printed both sides onto some of the cheapest paper I've seen. Only "security" I can see is top left of the front there's some minor embossing, 12 x 1mm dots in 3 x up-side-down L's - hardly hologram levels of security. Oooh! there appears to be quite a clever watermark effect though
The initial application was done on line via the link (I think in this very thread) the photo was taken by myself on my iPhone with the "reverse" lens, so not the sharpest picture but easy enough to do against a white background, again, cost to me . . . nothing
The only other thing I needed was my National Insurance number . . . luckily I've still got some old pay slips with this on as it's one of the many "important" numbers in life that I simply can't / won't remember
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Has anyone mentioned yet that the ballot as it stands is not secret?
You go in, you get a voting paper, the number on the paper is recorded against your name.
It is perfectly possible to know how every person voted.
You go in, you get a voting paper, the number on the paper is recorded against your name.
It is perfectly possible to know how every person voted.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Does anyone know what happens to ballot paper and registers after the election?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They are kept for a year and a day then shredded for use in birds' nests
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Anyone sensible have any idea...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Anyone sensible have any idea...
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh - copies of electoral registers may be consulted at each local authority
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
After the state have checked the names and addresses of the 14 people who vote Communist...oh, and everyone who draws a spuncking cock on their ballot, obvs
BusLanes
Pedestrian
I share the concern that voter ID this May is going to suppress voters. If just because the Conservatives knowingly forced it through without putting real money and effort into making it work. If they were serious they would have delayed it till next May and spent a lot more promoting it and giving councils money to do the same / prepare.
Re postal voting, I do think it's more open to fraud. Just see Birmingham in the 00s. But how widespread that is, well who knows.
Re postal voting, I do think it's more open to fraud. Just see Birmingham in the 00s. But how widespread that is, well who knows.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Oh, shut up, Donald
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
The verification of ballot papers done at the Counting of the Votes begins with ensuring that the number of ballots given out matches the number taken out of the box.
The counterfoil numbers are kept seperate from the ballots and the use of them is usually one safeguard against photocopying ballots or using fake ones.
It would be theoretically possible to match ballot to voter were the papers not inside a sealed box for 14 hours, driven to a counting hall, and then combined with the contents of other boxes for counting. Their use is usually to ensure that the ballots were given out sequentially to avoid suspicion of missing or amended ballots.
Coercion can occur at a polling station. Staff are trained to check for people who might be standing too close to voters.
The recently passed Ballot Secrecy Act (https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3172 ) places further safeguards against coercion inside polling stations.
Many years ago now, Individual Registration was introduced to avoid the 'head of the household' issue regarding the filing in of the annual registration process. This was in response to concerns that it was possible for postal voting to be manipulated in the ways expressed with some vigor by one poster in this thread.
To return to the main requirement of this thread, the photo id rules have been introduced to solve an issue that doesn't exist, and requires younger voters to use ID they can't afford nor access. I'm certain that's the more pressing issue than whether a crypto-bro who uses "woke" as an insult should be any further indulged.
The counterfoil numbers are kept seperate from the ballots and the use of them is usually one safeguard against photocopying ballots or using fake ones.
It would be theoretically possible to match ballot to voter were the papers not inside a sealed box for 14 hours, driven to a counting hall, and then combined with the contents of other boxes for counting. Their use is usually to ensure that the ballots were given out sequentially to avoid suspicion of missing or amended ballots.
Coercion can occur at a polling station. Staff are trained to check for people who might be standing too close to voters.
The recently passed Ballot Secrecy Act (https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3172 ) places further safeguards against coercion inside polling stations.
Many years ago now, Individual Registration was introduced to avoid the 'head of the household' issue regarding the filing in of the annual registration process. This was in response to concerns that it was possible for postal voting to be manipulated in the ways expressed with some vigor by one poster in this thread.
To return to the main requirement of this thread, the photo id rules have been introduced to solve an issue that doesn't exist, and requires younger voters to use ID they can't afford nor access. I'm certain that's the more pressing issue than whether a crypto-bro who uses "woke" as an insult should be any further indulged.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Could you explain why the 14 hours inside a ballot box makes it harder to link numbered ballot paper to counterfoil and thus to register? E2a not every election will see the contents of ballot boxes mixed, eg local authority elections where I doubt everything is jumbled up before counting each ward.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Regarding ballot matching; I'm pretty sure that I remember some past reporting of claims that the spooks were able to/did conduct such exercises in constituencies with 'extremist' candidates. Or maybe I've just been taken in by some tin-foil hatery?
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Or nip their socks off their hands before they have a chance to get boring.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh the argument stuff can't be matched up because it's a lot of work doesn't really hold water. It's the auld 'they won't kettle thousands of people in Oxford circus' all over again. They can, and if they want to they will.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
It's not a lot of work anyway; the ballot papers for any party candidate of interest would be bundled together at the count in a very convenient way. Just a matter of matching those numbered ballot papers with the counterfoils etc.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Do you think they care that much about who you vote for?
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Not my area of expertise, granted, and I can't deny that perhaps some 'dark arts ' occurred in past years. We use paper and pencil, I can't deny that such methods haven't been exploited at/for the very fringes . Personally I doubt that it was ever done at a significant amount (though experts from Northern Ireland, let me know your experiences, I suspect there are tales to be told.)
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
At the time of the brexit referendum, i had one colleague who was advising anyone who would listen to take a pen because 'they' were going to change the X on enough 'leave' votes to change the outcome.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
I remember that well. Indeed the reason why we use that particular kind of pencil is because rubbing out looks obvious, in response to rumours that 'they' would supply pens with invisible ink!
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I always delight in explaining to Americans how we do it over here.
None of their constant multi-million dollar "primaries" for multiple levels of the administration, mostly just get out to the local school gym every couple or 4 years, pinch yer nose and make yer mark for the least awful option, then go home and hope it doesn't get too much worse...
... but then I don't watch telly or read newspapers - especially at election time....
None of their constant multi-million dollar "primaries" for multiple levels of the administration, mostly just get out to the local school gym every couple or 4 years, pinch yer nose and make yer mark for the least awful option, then go home and hope it doesn't get too much worse...
... but then I don't watch telly or read newspapers - especially at election time....
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