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Photo ID now a requirement to vote in the UK
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I don't think hanging on to every word said in jest helps me improve my sense of humour, if my sense of humour is the problem you have with me.
You won't get support if you don't engage in good faith.
You're not engaging the issue in good faith if you're not interested in solving the problem and defending the integrity of the vote.
You say that younger people could be excluded because their ID costs money.
Then surely providing ID that is free, solves the issue, as long as that ID then can't be used by the state to control people (think digital ids)???
I'd take all of that seriously, if those pushing back against voter id, also believed in the secret ballot. I can't find any that do.
Which suggests to me that people who are pushing back on voter id, aren't doing to protect peoples votes or against disenfranchisment. It's just about making sure the right people get in.
The problem there is that as good as blockchain voting is, if it's used for remote voting, there's no secret ballot, if there's more than one person at the remote location (eg house or care centre).
If the victim hasn't proved to the bad actor that they voted the "right" way, there's consenquences.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Secret ballots based on marked, numbered ballot papers and counterfoils?
8ball
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Set it up so that repeat votes show a nice green tick.
But regardless of that, I’m wondering why you brought up blockchain in the first place now.
NoXion
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The Tories aren't providing free IDs on demand for voters. That's textbook Yankee-style voter suppression that they've imported.
bimble
floofy
And just like with the Republican Party it’s happening now because they know they are doomed just by demographics and their complete lack of ideas so this is their best chance.
8ball
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How come the Democrats aren’t doomed by their complete lack of ideas?
mojo pixy
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What about if I ask someone to vote on my behalf (proxy voting is allowed in France) and they vote however they want? And even if they cast the vote I ask them to, it's not secret because they'll know who I voted for.
There is no consistency in your argument!
Except in France where proxy voting (=not secret) is permitted.
But you're the one assuming voters will coerce each other
Your lack of self-awareness is astonishing...
But at the moment, this is you! Interfering with people's natural right to argue over politics and persuade each other to vote a certain way, if they want. People can do what the fuck they want. That's your mantra, right?
But you're so blinded by ideology you've lost your way. You're arguing against your own stated views, about human dignity and sovereignty. You're the one making negative assumptions about voters! You're the one wanting to take away people's right to vote from the comfort and convenience of their own home, and restrict the democratic process to only those who can travel to a polling station.
Those doing the coercing don't normally have access to those. The published marked register only records whether someone voted or not, not who they voted for.
If you're concerned that those doing the coercing actually have physical access to the ballots and the original marked register from the polling station, then blockchain voting would solve that, because with blockchain voting, there is no need to keep a forensic electronic trial that could give up who people voted for.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Because all they have to do is not be religious nationalists to the same extreme. Which party is clamping down on reproductive rights again?
Anyone can travel to a polling station if they can travel to hospital in an ambulance.What about if I ask someone to vote on my behalf (proxy voting is allowed in France) and they vote however they want? And even if they cast the vote I ask them to, it's not secret because they'll know who I voted for.
There is no consistency in your argument!
Except in France where proxy voting (=not secret) is permitted.
But you're the one assuming voters will coerce each other
Your lack of self-awareness is astonishing...
But at the moment, this is you! Interfering with people's natural right to argue over politics and persuade each other to vote a certain way, if they want. People can do what the fuck they want. That's your mantra, right?
But you're so blinded by ideology you've lost your way. You're arguing against your own stated views, about human dignity and sovereignty. You're the one making negative assumptions about voters! You're the one wanting to take away people's right to vote from the comfort and convenience of their own home, and restrict the democratic process to only those who can travel to a polling station.
If you are unfit to be transported by ambulance, a vote is the least of your problems.
If proxy voting in France is allowed, I don't agree with it. I'm surprised they have that, because there's no postal votes. I will look that up.
There is nothing inconsistant with my views.
I believe in governance where it is needed. I generally only agree with doing things, when it's needed. That's how you get perfection. If you can take away something, then it ain't perfection.
If you don't need a postal vote and can do the job in person with a secret ballot, secret ballot it is!
8ball
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This is a post that could very well age very badly.
I won't be voting. I have ID.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
What do you mean?
8ball
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mojo pixy
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You can't see it, because you're a fundamentalist. Blinded to nuance or inconsistency, by your own zealotry. I can show it to you, but I can't see it for you.
8ball
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Wasn’t the inconsistency something to do with proxy voting?
Sasaferrato
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Good likeness.Here is my photo from my ID certificate.
mojo pixy
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That, and the fact it leaves about the same room for fraud, dishonesty and coercion as postal voting.
But mainly the inconsistency of on the one hand arguing for individual sovereignty and the state to have less control over people (which StakerOne does obsessively) and then arguing that people can't be trusted with postal votes and the state needs more control over the process.
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8ball
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More that people couldn’t necessarily be trusted with the postal votes of others, but yeah, I take your meaning.
Given the kinds of evidence and means of detection available it does seem like paying some attention to postal votes should be a higher priority than the voter ID thing.
8ball
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Yes. It’s an assertion which links to plentiful anecdotes but little if anything in the way of data.
So dismissing it as not existing at all is as irrational as claiming it is swinging the results of elections.
In terms of voter ID, there are more ways of capturing data, and what we have is vanishingly small, so instituting measures that could disenfranchise legitimate votes in relevant numbers are just as shaky.
mojo pixy
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Well exactly. It may well be a niche issue and it is deserving of attention, but there are so many more, bigger, more wide-ranging issues with the rigging of the electoral system here .. and making ID compulsory is adding a whole new one, self-evidently. It's almost the epitome of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
8ball
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