Petition to request parliament review LTNs

[alex_]

Lambeth should accept that their monitoring of traffic and pollution is not sufficient to declare their LTNs a success due to the various flaws in the equipment and methodology employed and they should seek to address the issues that have been reported to them and look to mitigate them by relaxing the LTN restrictions in one way or another or remove the LTNs and seek alternate measures to address what they claim they are attempting to do which is to reduce traffic and pollution - If they insist in their want to reduce traffic and address climate change then they need to implement a much wider monitoring strategy that covers much more of the area around an LTN and better still the whole of the borough and I would like to see them install actual air monitoring equipment at all the main traffic junctions, pinch points and roads where the LTN traffic is being displaced or where traffic is heavy or there are issues with traffic numbers or congestion.

Lambeth council are claiming that when they assess the LTN and it's boundary roads excluding any other roads where traffic may have been displaced to the traffic has reduced and by virtue of their modelling methods they also claim pollution reduced - they exclude any displacement routes so there is no way of knowing if the traffic did actually go down as a result of the LTN but they do concede that boundary roads often see more traffic

I'm not going to accept studies by active travel supporting academics who are clearly LTN supporters when flaws in their studies are pointed out no matter how many people have peer reviewed them as they have failed to respond to the criticisms levied against their studies which I am sure they are aware of and they are receiving significant amounts of money to continue to study LTNs so maybe they don't want to admit their failings and put at risk that funding

My position is based on seeing how manipulative the whole LTN imposition process has been and when issues are reported to councils and academics they are ignored or brushed under the carpet or side-stepped one way or another

I am asking for more monitoring, democracy, transparency and honesty from all concerned and a desire to address issues instead of brushing them aside and manipulation of the truth and gaslighting people reporting issues.

So Lambeth should completely rearchitect or remove LTNs because on the basis of no evidence, you say they have failed ?

And you dispute all research by researchers with any interest in the topic they are researching ?

It’s not hard to see why your objections aren’t taken seriously.

 

[ianarmstrong]

So Lambeth should completely rearchitect or remove LTNs because on the basis of no evidence, you say they have failed ?

And you dispute all research by researchers with any interest in the topic they are researching ?

It’s not hard to see why your objections aren’t taken seriously.

There is plenty of evidence that the monitoring is flawed and they have failed to do a proper assessment of the impact of the LTN on the wider area and they have ignored issues reported to them - this seems to be deliberate and part of the manipulative LTN imposition plan - this is why the petition has been created requesting an independent review by parliament of what has happened

 

[gentlegreen]

10600 signatures so far so a response is now expected and we need 100k to force a debate

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/632748

12,033 signatures 1,433 / 13 days = 110 per day
87,967 to go / 110 = 798 days = roughly 2 years.

Perhaps you would like to explore the rest of urban75 while you're waiting ?

 

[ianarmstrong]

12,033 signatures 1,433 / 13 days = 110 per day
87,967 to go / 110 = 798 days = roughly 2 years.

Perhaps you would like to explore the rest of urban75 while you're waiting ?

It's going up which is the main thing and hopefully some people on here will have signed it but I doubt they would want to announce that on here and take the heat that would inevitably come their way

 

[A380]

…so I don’t see how you think you can proceed to have a rationale discussion after say that

You really don’t get this place do you?

 

[A380]

12,033 signatures 1,433 / 13 days = 110 per day
87,967 to go / 110 = 798 days = roughly 2 years.

Perhaps you would like to explore the rest of urban75 while you're waiting ?

110 per day. I’m guessing half of those are still Spy and the rest are Ivor, Gloria and the gang.

 

[teuchter]

Lambeth should accept that their monitoring of traffic and pollution is not sufficient to declare their LTNs a success due to the various flaws in the equipment and methodology employed and they should seek to address the issues that have been reported to them and look to mitigate them by relaxing the LTN restrictions in one way or another or remove the LTNs and seek alternate measures to address what they claim they are attempting to do which is to reduce traffic and pollution - If they insist in their want to reduce traffic and address climate change then they need to implement a much wider monitoring strategy that covers much more of the area around an LTN and better still the whole of the borough and I would like to see them install actual air monitoring equipment at all the main traffic junctions, pinch points and roads where the LTN traffic is being displaced or where traffic is heavy or there are issues with traffic numbers or congestion.

Lambeth council are claiming that when they assess the LTN and it's boundary roads excluding any other roads where traffic may have been displaced to the traffic has reduced and by virtue of their modelling methods they also claim pollution reduced - they exclude any displacement routes so there is no way of knowing if the traffic did actually go down as a result of the LTN but they do concede that boundary roads often see more traffic

I'm not going to accept studies by active travel supporting academics who are clearly LTN supporters when flaws in their studies are pointed out no matter how many people have peer reviewed them as they have failed to respond to the criticisms levied against their studies which I am sure they are aware of and they are receiving significant amounts of money to continue to study LTNs so maybe they don't want to admit their failings and put at risk that funding

My position is based on seeing how manipulative the whole LTN imposition process has been and when issues are reported to councils and academics they are ignored or brushed under the carpet or side-stepped one way or another

I am asking for more monitoring, democracy, transparency and honesty from all concerned and a desire to address issues instead of brushing them aside and manipulation of the truth and gaslighting people reporting issues.

I'm trying to work out whether you are simply not reading BigTom 's posts, or incapable of understanding them.

 

[gentlegreen]

It's going up which is the main thing and hopefully some people on here will have signed it but I doubt they would want to announce that on here and take the heat that would inevitably come their way

tl:dr

 

[klang]

It's going up which is the main thing and hopefully some people on here will have signed it but I doubt they would want to announce that on here and take the heat that would inevitably come their way

Lol

 

[gentlegreen]

It's a LOT of work for very few signatures lol.

 

[ianarmstrong]

You really don’t get this place do you?

110 per day. I’m guessing half of those are still Spy and the rest are Ivor, Gloria and the gang.

I view those petition signatures as a sad inditement of LTNs as 12k+ people are saying they have experienced issues caused by LTNs and their concerns are being ignored

 

[ianarmstrong]

It's a LOT of work for very few signatures lol.

12k is a lot not very few

 

[ohmyliver]

There are are 63,520,000 active Internet users in the UK, but whatever.

 

[liquidindian]

12k is a lot not very few

It's roughly one signature per social media post by you.

 

[Artaxerxes]

You really don’t get this place do you?

Tell me about your beans mate

 

[klang]

I haven't looked at the petition, is it uk wide?

 

[teuchter]

12k is a lot not very few

3% of Brits reckon the eath is probably flat. Work out how many people that is, and compare with 12k.

Which science-based conspiracy theories do Britons believe? | YouGov

One in four think the threat of climate change is exaggerated and one in six believe the moon landings were staged, reveals YouGov study on conspiracy theories

yougov.co.uk

 

[gentlegreen]

12k is a lot not very few

I'm amazed as many as 67 have actually posted on this thread, doubtless some more have glanced at it, but how many signatures do you expect ?
That said, we may get a few new subs....

 

[klang]

Hey, it's not about the number but the quality of signatures.

 

[liquidindian]

Hey, it's not about the number but the quality of signatures.

And kids today don't learn cursive, so they'll be shite.

 

[ianarmstrong]

It's roughly one signature per social media post by you.

Talking about me again I see and not the content of this post

 

[ianarmstrong]

3% of Brits reckon the eath is probably flat. Work out how many people that is, and compare with 12k.


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Which science-based conspiracy theories do Britons believe? | YouGov

One in four think the threat of climate change is exaggerated and one in six believe the moon landings were staged, reveals YouGov study on conspiracy theories

yougov.co.uk

That just shows how little empathy you have for the 12k+ people who have signed this petition as you seek to make fun of their issues

 

[ianarmstrong]

I'm amazed as many as 67 have actually posted on this thread, doubtless some more have glanced at it, but how many signatures do you expect ?
That said, we may get a few new subs....

I didn't expect anything but I posted it in hope that people who know about the issues LTNs cause would see it and support it and sign it so just 1 signature is enough for me

 

[gentlegreen]

just 1 signature is enough for me

 

[klang]

Wasnt the aim 100000?

 

[teuchter]

That just shows how little empathy you have for the 12k+ people who have signed this petition as you seek to make fun of their issues

I thought you wanted to discuss contents of posts only, and not posters themselves.

 

[ianarmstrong]

I thought you wanted to discuss contents of posts only, and not posters themselves.

So many comments on here are dismissive of the petition and the people singing it which shows a lack of understanding or empathy for people and businesses who are suffering the negative consequences of LTNs

 

[LDC]

So many comments on here are dismissive of the petition and the people singing it which shows a lack of understanding or empathy for people and businesses who are suffering the negative consequences of LTNs

No sympathy for the petite bourgeoisie on U75, the shock and horror of it all...

 

[klang]

So many comments on here are dismissive of the petition and the people singing it

well yeah....

 

[ianarmstrong]

well yeah....

And immature