Petition to request parliament review LTNs

[klang]

Drivers are required to go below the speed limit and take care where pedestrian footfall is high but pedestrians have a responsibility too not take risks and put themselves on unnecessary danger. Life is full of risks and we all have to behave responsibly to minimise the risk of accidents.

then we have to lower the speed limit.

 

[Cat Fan]

cabbies always drive at you when crossing a road junction; fucking psychopaths

I've never understood this. Black cabs in particular do this a lot.

But why? If they're on the meter it's not like shaving a few seconds by driving at pedestrians is going to make them more money.

 

[Winot]

I've never understood this. Black cabs in particular do this a lot.

But why? If they're on the meter it's not like shaving a few seconds by driving at pedestrians is going to make them more money.

Because they’re arseholes.

 

[klang]

xxx

 

[klang]

pedestrians have a responsibility not to do stupid things too

it really shouldn't be a give- and take situation. drivers need to be inconvenienced and at the very bottom of the pecking order. There needs to be a very radical change of thinking, very very soon. Why? Because climate change and all the other damage cars cause, from environmental to sociological. Hate to say it, but we are running out of time. The damage caused by car culture over only the last 50 years is staggering and depressing in equal measures.
All the talk about hydro and electric cars is only kicking the can down the road.
If we don't tackle the problem at its very root NOW we are royally fucked.
But you carry on petitioning against LTN, have fun and feel like an activist doing something worthwhile

 

[ianarmstrong]

I'm fairly certain it's mostly stored as a gas under very high pressure even in fuel cell cars. You need a combination of high pressure and extremely low temperatures to store hydrogen as a liquid. That's one of the major problems.

I think hydrogen as a short-term energy storage medium to even out the peaks and troughs of renewable energy generation has some mileage in it but it's a cul-de-sac as far as actually powering cars.

Yes you are correct - it seems a better option to me instead of EVs so hopefully more investment is ploughed into it and they become a more viable option as with just 17 hydrogen filling stations in the UK that would not work

An introduction to hydrogen vehicles. How they work

HOW DO HYDROGEN CARS WORK HYDROGEN CARS: faster refuelling, no harmful emissions, an impressive range 300 miles per tank, good efficiency levels

www.hydrogenhub.org

 

[liquidindian]

The low turnout for my should make the winning councillors recognise that they only have the support of a small number of the residents they serve and anything significant they embark on doing it the area such as these LTN schemes must be done with the explicit support of the community and sadly that has not been the case in many instances.

Oxford had two council byelections this week. Given the protests and apparent high-running feelings there's probably no better time for a single-issue candidate to get in.

Labour retained both seats:


The independents did do pretty well, but if people hated these schemes as much as some people claimed they should have walked it, pun intended. All the yelling and protesting and conspiracies and it turns out less than half of 34% of voters care.

 

[ianarmstrong]

ianarmstrong Hey Ian you missed this I think.

Lambeth Conservatives and Southwark Conservatives - as a lifelong Labour supporter and voter and a keen supporter of Jeremy Corbyn when he was Labour leader I never thought I could ever support people from the Conservative party but this LTN thing opened my eyes and the only councillor who was supporting people having issues with the Lambeth LTNs was the sole Conservative councillor Tim Briggs. During the last few years I came to realise the Labour councillors were not responding appropriately to people who reported issues to them and they were often gaslighting those when responding to them about those issues and they were also being deceitful and demonised anyone who was anti LTNs as a support of LTN sign/camera vandalism. I realised that local politics is not about doing what's right for the residents but more about following an ideology for the Lambeth and Southwark Labour parties. As I said it was clear from discussions with people on the doorstep that they often referenced national politics and Boris Johnson when citing who they were going to vote for so it is clear to me that many people who vote in local elections do so based on their national political allegiances not on local issues. I would still vote Labour in a national election as I'd prefer a Labour government but I am not supportive of many things Kier Starmer has since he became leader but prefer him to any Conservative leader we have had since 2010 but I will not vote Labour in a local election until I see some evidence of the Labour councillors behaving more responsibly with respect to LTNs and the issues they are causing. I have previously voted for Sadiq Khan for London mayor but would not do so next time as it is time for a change and he is fully behind these LTNs and he cares not for what Londoners want but more for what he thinks ideologically they should get just like the Lambeth Labour councillors.

 

[liquidindian]

As I said it was clear from discussions with people on the doorstep that they often referenced national politics and Boris Johnson when citing who they were going to vote for so it is clear to me that many people who vote in local elections do so based on their national political allegiances not on local issues.

So they didn't care enough about this for it to change their vote? Things literally happening on their doorstep and they cared more about other things?

 

[alex_]

Lambeth Conservatives and Southwark Conservatives - as a lifelong Labour supporter and voter and a keen supporter of Jeremy Corbyn when he was Labour leader I never thought I could ever support people from the Conservative party but this LTN thing opened my eyes and the only councillor who was supporting people having issues with the Lambeth LTNs was the sole Conservative councillor Tim Briggs. During the last few years I came to realise the Labour councillors were not responding appropriately to people who reported issues to them and they were often gaslighting those when responding to them about those issues and they were also being deceitful and demonised anyone who was anti LTNs as a support of LTN sign/camera vandalism. I realised that local politics is not about doing what's right for the residents but more about following an ideology for the Lambeth and Southwark Labour parties. As I said it was clear from discussions with people on the doorstep that they often referenced national politics and Boris Johnson when citing who they were going to vote for so it is clear to me that many people who vote in local elections do so based on their national political allegiances not on local issues. I would still vote Labour in a national election as I'd prefer a Labour government but I am not supportive of many things Kier Starmer has since he became leader but prefer him to any Conservative leader we have had since 2010 but I will not vote Labour in a local election until I see some evidence of the Labour councillors behaving more responsibly with respect to LTNs and the issues they are causing. I have previously voted for Sadiq Khan for London mayor but would not do so next time as it is time for a change and he is fully behind these LTNs and he cares not for what Londoners want but more for what he thinks ideologically they should get just like the Lambeth Labour councillors.

And this is why lambeth labour were swept away at the 2022 elections and Tim briggs now leads Lambeth council for the tories.

 

[ianarmstrong]

then we have to lower the speed limit.

20mph in high footfall areas or outside schools/nursery's is appropriate - school streets are also reducing the likelihood of accidents too by removing vehicles from those roads at school start/end times - the design of the road junctions can help to improve safety - I would be tempted to replace zebra crossings with light controlled crossings as drivers are less likely to cross a red signal - all road users need to adhere to the rules and many traffic lights have cameras to deter drivers from driving through red lights so more of those are probably needed - I would also add ID plates on e-bikes and e-scooters to persuade them from adhering to the same rules as motor vehicle drivers

 

[klang]

20mph in high footfall areas or outside schools/nursery's is appropriate

no it isn't. A person hit by 20mph worth of steel is fucked.

as to the rest of you post: my point stands: we need to inconvenience drivers and discourage car usage in a very radical manner. Otherwise we're fucked. Simple as.

But go on, campaign against zebra crossings. Clarkson might just sign your petition.

 

[klang]

20mph in high footfall areas or outside schools/nursery's is appropriate

fucking hell man. your stupid fucking right to drive 20mph against the lives of toddlers. Fuck off.

 

[ianarmstrong]

no it isn't. A person hit by 20mph worth of steel is fucked.

as to the rest of you post: my point stands: we need to inconvenience drivers and discourage car usage in a very radical manner. Otherwise we're fucked. Simple as.

But go on, campaign against zebra crossings. Clarkson might just sign your petition.

There is virtually no speed that would prevent all serious injuries or fatalities - the very 1st death from a motor vehicle happened when the vehicle was being driven at 4mph!

When did the first motoring fatality occur? -

A When did the first motoring fatality occur? Mrs Bridget Driscoll of Old Town, Croydon became the first motoring fatality...

nationalmotormuseum.org.uk

 

[klang]

There is virtually no speed that would prevent all serious injuries or fatalities - the very 1st death from a motor vehicle happened when the vehicle was being driven at 4mph!

When did the first motoring fatality occur? -

A When did the first motoring fatality occur? Mrs Bridget Driscoll of Old Town, Croydon became the first motoring fatality...

nationalmotormuseum.org.uk

the solution is to get rid of cars then. esp outside nurseries.

 

[pbsmooth]

Ian get a hobby. Do some reading. Watch a film. This is such a ridiculous thing to be so passionate about. You're on the wrong side of history in so many ways and seemingly devoting so much energy to make everyone aware of that fact.

 

[ianarmstrong]

fucking hell man. your stupid fucking right to drive 20mph against the lives of toddlers. Fuck off.

Do you really need to swear so much

the solution is to get rid of cars then. esp outside nurseries.

I support school streets and they could be extended to nurseries but many schools and nurseries are situation on main roads so I would say there should be a plan to move them to more residential locations and not to build any more schools/nurseries on main roads that cannot be made into school streets

 

[klang]

Do you really need to swear so much

I support school streets and they could be extended to nurseries but many schools and nurseries are situation on main roads so I would say there should be a plan to move them to more residential locations and not to build any more schools/nurseries on main roads that cannot be made into school streets

or to get rid of cars.

 

[brogdale]

Ian get a hobby. Do some reading. Watch a film. This is such a ridiculous thing to be so passionate about. You're on the wrong side of history in so many ways and seemingly devoting so much energy to make everyone aware of that fact.

or maybe if he even just tried to imagine that he doesn't have a vested interest in private motor vehicles

 

[klang]

Do you really need to swear so much

yes. 'rights of drivers' make my piss boil.

 

[Artaxerxes]

"The LTN's Want To Take This Away From You..."

 

[Serge Forward]

Do you really need to swear so much

 

[alex_]

or maybe if he even just tried to imagine that he doesn't have a vested interest in private motor vehicles

Hilarious thing is - blokes is a cabby, literally no one benefits more from measures to discourage private individuals from owning cars !

 

[ianarmstrong]

or to get rid of cars.

When teleportation arrives then cars will be needed no more but until then they will remain as many people cannot walk that far or at all and cycling is not something everyone can do - it's fine if you are young fit and healthy

 

[ianarmstrong]

Hilarious thing is - blokes is a cabby, literally no one benefits more from measures to discourage private individuals from owning cars !

That shows you that I am not being selfish

 

[klang]

When teleportation arrives then cars will be needed no more but until then they will remain as many people cannot walk that far or at all and cycling is not something everyone can do - it's fine if you are young fit and healthy

so we need to work on public transport infrastructure. I say it again - if we don't sort out the car culture NOW we are fucked. Simple as.

 

[ianarmstrong]

so we need to work on public transport infrastructure. I say it again - if we don't sort out the car culture NOW we are fucked. Simple as.

Yes better PT and more incentives for individuals and businesses and community organisation to switch to emissions free travel options and cargo/passenger bikes/e-bikes/etc - however PT seems to be getting less and less money from TFL and LTNs cause congestion that slows the buses down and some operators have reduced their services due to delays caused by LTNs

 

[klang]

many people cannot walk that far or at all and cycling is not something everyone can do - it's fine if you are young fit and healthy

out of interest - away from car issues - what's your history in campaigning for the rights of people with a disability? fwiw - I've been working in advocacy and inclusion for people with disabilities for over 2 decades....transport is a very big part of my work.
what's your history? or are you just using vulnerable people as your pawns whenever it suits your agenda?

 

[klang]

I fucking hated all those anti-lockdown loons who were suddenly all concerned about peoples' mental health. not that they'd ever given two fucks about mh before, but suddenly they were 'activists'.

 

[liquidindian]

it's fine if you are young fit and healthy

I am none of these things. I'll never understand this idea that walking and cycling are only for the superfit, and I should get a car rather than get a wee bit puggled because I walked up a hill.