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Starry Wisdom
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Peterborough by-election, 6 June 2019
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The makeup of the Labour membership and electoral coalition is such that they are currently unable to choose one horse or the other without collapsing their vote in strategically important places, or destroying the party altogether. It isn't that they don't know which horse to back - it's that either horse fucks them right up.
which comes to the same thing.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Not quite anonymous as he's been on that Secret Millionaire show and is a ground rent rackrenter. He's not a nobody.
Secret Millionaire Mike Greene revealed as Brexit Party Peterborough by-election candidate
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Indeed. So continue to back the non-runner (i.e campaign on all the other issues, as apparently happened in Peterborough) and you might continue to get your money back.
Who started all these horse/betting analogies anyway?
Which makes me wonder how the BP would have done if they had found a candidate who was not an utter bastard.(Admittedly I have never seen that show.)
not-bono-ever
meh
This man is not your friend
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Lots to think about here but mainly I am enjoying the sour grapes at the moment from certain quarters. 
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Even tribal voters might not be so keen on the party hacks who end up at the top of the party lists. STV would to me seem better as you choose both party and preferred candidate.
tim
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A lot of candidates and sitting MPs are anonymous turkeys
Supine
Newt Member
Science has proven the impossibility of this scenario
sleaterkinney
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A -17% swing bears this out....
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
I totally disagree. Considering the circumstances that led to the by-election and the fact that there was a lot of focus on the supposed resurgent libdems, and that it was a string leave constituency I a very pleased and a bit supervised that labour won. An important fact to note is that the Labour Party can still mobilise considerably more activists than any other party. It all bodes well for a general election Labour victory
hot air baboon
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the Brexit Party candidate was involved with Greybull the sort of people who give vulture capitalism a bad name
Exposed: Brexit Party candidate has links with asset-stripping firm that destroyed British Steel
Exposed: Brexit Party candidate has links with asset-stripping firm that destroyed British Steel
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
The Labour Party didn’t fight the election on its Brexit stance, it campaigned against austerity and the erosion of our NHS. Considering the outgoing labour MP had been forced to leave following a prison sentence, the Party will have expected a massive drop in support, and will be very happy with this result. In first past the post winning is all that counts not by how many votes
It doesn't, because currently they have a third option, which - as Peterborough proved - still just about holds.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
yeah they just about held onto the seat.
The Tories can go fuck themselves. They've been a shit government, their 'leader' (such as she is) has been shit, and their policies ... er ... have they got any?
Screw the fucking Tories, this is an alert for Labour to sort out so the party can win the next election - something that won't happen unless there are very big and very obvious changes.
SpineyNorman
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Not easy always being right is it? You're like me in that respect.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
eh?
Go on...
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
A by-election held after the sitting labour MP was forced to step down by the electorate, coupled with some people trying to make every election about Brexit - I’m surprised the swing against wasn’t much bigger. It was a good result for labour. Once the GE campaign starts and labour produces a manifesto to tackle the day to day issues affecting the electorate like they did last time, I’m confident we will see labour rise through the polls once again. Labour went into the last election 20% behind remember
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
No don't encourage him.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
'just about' is enough though. And is the best thing available to them right now.
You should listen to the interview with Andy Macdonald on the Today programme this morning for an idea of the movement Labour is currently preparing for, assuming a no-dealer ends up in no.10 - Remain/Reform, but only as a way of avoiding no deal, with a big focus on the effect no deal would have car manufacturing, steel industry etc. It's a very enjoyable interview all in tbh, he wipes the floor with Humphreys.
Well, in a democracy political parties need votes or they don't get into government, and Labour lost truck loads of votes.
I don't give a shit about the massive number the tories lost excepting the pleasure it gives me to see them flop.
Back to it. Labour came way too close to losing a seat to a brand new party, so the reasons have to be properly looked at, then sorted out. If that means losing the leader in favour of someone decent, so be it.
Much as the more left here will shout at me and probably call me a good few names. the leader of the Labour party is a useless wanker and much of the blame for this near defeat lies right at his door.
Corbyn was crap, is crap, and will be crap in the future so, if Labour is to win, he has to go.
No, before some silly fucker says it, not another popularist Blair, but the job needs someone with a likeable personality, something the glorious leader is short of.
I blame Corbyn for much of this mess - He's doing for Labour what May has done for the tories, just not as badly .... yet.
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