True enough, but May didn't present a coherent Brexit position against which Corbyn had to offer any real oppositional position. She was in her strong & stable/brexit means brexit mode and both parties basically got away with defusing the issue by talking about honouring the will of the people etc.
May didn't want to diffuse the issue though? It was Labour who diffused it - the tories were desperate to make it about brexit.
Well yes precisely, he is kind of letting his prejudices show here, 14 people registered to vote at one address is a sign of overcrowding not electoral fraud and a British citizen of Pakistani descent is entitled (like anyone else) to vote for whomsoever they wish.
where's this weird shit coming from? There's nothing even vaguely resembling this on the thread. argue with something that's actually being said ffs.Absolute blinder by Corbyn, his policy of thingy ma bob and wotsit is a winner with umm some people and like ummmm nothing has changed in the UK, there is no wedge issue. Calm down and read some Marx!
Yeah. I think the Tories are snookered really - there are lots of remain Tories and the threat from LibDems is just as relevant as the BP insurgency
Again, yeah...but if that were the case then, it won't be possible when up against the Johnson response to farage.
It doesn't feel possible now, for sure. But then it didn't in 2017 either. Until it was.
It's not non policy. Last night shows that there is still a solid majority who vote on issues other than Brexit: there was plenty of choice for anyone motivated only, or mainly, by Brexit, but still a majority (52.3%) voted for the two parties which have not yet become single issue campaigns. That's in a core Leave area, during a tory leadership battle framed around Brexit. It really does make sense fopr the LP
.. to stick with anti-austerity general politics.
Yes, (again), but I think most would concede that the shelf-life of constructive ambiguity is limited by the impending prospect of a newly led 'single-issue' government? If the tories do go full on populist representing themselves as the only true voice of the peoples' will, the LP will have to offer something distinct.
Not sure if this totally follows - I think a lot of the Labour votes will have been stop brexit party votes. But it does show that they can still plausibly hold things together enough with the current position (just).
The party would split, and it's currently remain leaning support would almost all fuck off elsewhere. It's unlikely they'd then be able to pick up support from leave voters to come anywhere close to replacing them.
I think I accept that if the tories crown Johnson or another brexiteer they will reposition to become what they currently are not, a single issue party, probably shedding remainer MPs, members and voters in the general direction of the LibDems (or maybe anodyne Greens), but picking up votes from the BP. You appear to be saying Labour should follow onto the single issue battleground rather than simply opposing the tories on all th available battlegrounds. That way lies shedding voters..
Much of the 'machine' would grind to a halt as well.
No, I don't think that's what I'm saying tbh.
there's so many ways that it can't happen, it makes me wonder if anyone speculating about the electoral effect of such a pivot has actually been watching the Labour Party recently.
At the next GE he has to frame a manifesto designed to win. Until then, he's the leader of the opposition, his job is to hold the government to account, across the board.
Yes, but an opposition presuming to govern in the present context cannot very well face the country with any ambiguity wrt the tories acting as the Nubrexit party.
Well it is I think safe to say that at this precise moment the Labour Party bigwigs do not themselves know which horse to back?
